I see we have moved on the whataboutism stage. I guess I will play along.
1. Farrakhan is trash. I denounce him and his beliefs. So do most democrats. We don't support hate.
2. What public office does Farrakhan hold? What policies are being put in place by him?
3. Keith Ellison has publicly denounced Farrakhan. If he really does secretly hold the same beliefs then he is trash and I will denounce him as well.
4. I have no idea about Maxine Waters, I have never heard any reports of antisemitism from her. I don't think that we should start turning a public hug into an endorsement of someone else's every single belief.
Now that that's out of the way, let's be clear on what we are talking about. We have the border situation that is getting compared to Nazism because of the policies that are being set forth. Children being taken away from parents, and people being held in detention camps, all Latino people. Cruel policies being leveraged against ethnically similar people. Then we have avowed neo-Nazis that are anti-Semitic but also have seemingly popped up in the last year in record numbers to run for public office. I
wonder why
that could
be.
You brought up Farrakhan and I denounce his beliefs and policies of hate.
But you are defending Trump and his policies of hate.
The issue wasn't whataboutism. My point is, both sides have relationships with extremists. There is at least a fair enough amount of evidence about Ellison meeting with Farrakhan to at the very least suggest a friendship.
We weren't having a disagreement about those in office. The link you provided mentioned a candidate. What office does he currently hold? He won a primary in an area where there is literally no chance in hell of him actually getting into office.
The issue is that if we're comparing neo-nazis and extremist beliefs, there are those on both sides that do. I must again stress that I am a moderate, not a Republican. I said it is a stupid thing to name the whole party as Nazis because they have loons in the party. There are loons in both parties, that was my point. Maxine Waters openly calls for harassment of her political opponents. I don't judge all Democrats by that idiot, and you shouldn't judge all Republicans by this idiot.
I'm not defending Trump's stats. I am decrying the use of hyperbole and nazism to attack political opponents. Donald Trump does not want to kill Jews. Trump, if anything while in office has been a much more steadfast friend of Israel than any president before him. It is an insult to everyone who was murdered in the camps to constantly compare your political opponents to Nazis. You can find parallels in any meteoric rise in politics to any other leader you want to link them to. This doesn't mean he is a Nazi.
I am a moderate, who has been pushed into Trump support because of unfair attacks on him. I do not believe in open borders. I do not believe illegals should have a path to citizenship. I do not believe in assaulting and harassing people I disagree with politically. These are the reasons I can no longer consider myself a Democrat. Does Trump approve of some abhorrent things? Absolutely. But I'm reminded of a president who condoned BLM right after a BLM member murdered a police officer in cold blood in Texas.
Stick to logical, reasoned complaints. Nobody other than an echo chamber is going to care about your hyperbole. You won't win over people by calling them idiots, assaulting them, or comparing parties they somewhat agree with to nazism. It's stupid, it's little, and it's unfair.
Addendum: if a Public hug isn't enough, how about ol Mad Maxine attending a convention where Farrakhan spoke and defended suicide bombing (
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/17/maxine-waters-nation-of-islam-louis-farrakhan/)
My point is, there's enough hate already. You want to win over new hearts, try new arguments. Don't just point your finger and reeee. You may feel satisfied "I got Drumpf I called him a nazi hahahaha" but ultimately, nobody other than an echo chamber is going to care about this. Rage all you like about him and his policies, but it's silly to infer that every single Republican is a Nazi or nazi supporter.
To address your other arguments: This was a temporary measure, and it was in policy in Obama-era. The reason this policy was made was that they had to verify the children were not coming with smugglers, and were in fact, their actual family. Let's not forget, the photo of the children in cages that was being passed around was actually during Obama's tenure. Media just didn't give a shit because they were too busy sucking him off to actually do investigation. Let's also not forget, before this policy was a thing, Obama had placed children with actual smugglers (
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-obama-administration-children-human-traffickers/). This is not a new issue, it's just newsworthy now because they're doing everything they can to attack Trump. I don't know the solution to how to settle this issue if I did, I'd be in office. Nobody quite has an answer to it, because illegals have been a huge problem, even back when Bill Clinton was in office (
).
As for rando neo-nazis and neo-nazi groups praising Trump, let's not forget that Hillary had a similar issue with the KKK (
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...leader-who-says-he-backs-Hillary-Clinton.html) I don't think this reflects badly on Hillary at all in the slightest, just like I don't think the above is Trump's problem. Any idiot can say "OH I SUPPORT so and so".
But, I will say, I am happy to have a reasoned debate with you, I am happy to provide sources for my claims, as you seem to be as well. But the next time you are uncivil to me and refer to me a Nazi simply because we have a difference of opinion, I'm going to simply block you and end this discussion. I have been respectful to you, I would expect you to be at the very least, the same to me.
