Discussion in 'Technology' started by PsychoRealm, Sep 7, 2012.
Also I just wanna point out I never said I don't like Linux or Mac it's just that I prefer Windows
don't worry everybody does but some geeks or hipsters or people who needs something windows can offer aswell
Windows can offer alternatives to linux stuff, but linux systems implement them a lot better.
LAMP stacks, for example. Possible on windows, but you'd have to be stupid or new to not run those on a linux server.
How long have you used those two desktops? If you've used them for less than 15 days then you haven't truly *experienced* Linux or Mac.
I used the Mac for about 2 months but the Linux only for about 1 week
The latest release of Windows that I thought was alright was Windows 2000. The default theme in XP is really tacky and XP nags you about all sorts of different things as if you don't know what you are doing on a computer. I stayed on Windows 2000 until around 2006 because I don't like XP. On Windows 7, the quick launch bar is replaced with program "pinning." I can't stand this feature. When I click on a button on the screen, I expect the same behavior every time. One thing I do right away on a Windows 7 box is unpin everything and then create a classic quick launch bar. Windows 7 also eats so much disk space, it's rediculous. Windows 7 provides you with a file manager, web browser, firewall, and some system configuration and monitoring utilities, and on my Windows 7 install inside a virtual machine, the C:\Windows directory eats 20.3 GB of disk space and I did little more than install Windows 7 and all it's updates. I guess all those old libraries for running old software have to be installed so you can run that 16 bit Windows program from 1992. Installing updates is also a nightmare. You have to install updates, reboot, install updates, reboot.... and keep repeating this process who knows how many times because Windows can't install all it's updates at once. Whenever you install a program, you have to depend on the developer including an uninstall program or else you are going to have trouble remove that piece of software. "Jack of all trades, master of nothing." This is a phrase the perfectly describes Windows 8's and Windows Server 2012's multiple personality metro/desktop design that is suppose to work for every use case senario. This is a horrible design as you have to constantly switch back and forth between two different user interfaces. It would be better to have pure metro and then have Windows 7 running in a virtual machine. At least then I could have a real program launcher menu in the desktop mode. Then, on top of all this, there's the fact the Microsoft refers to all of their customers as "software counterfeiters" if they don't prove that their copy of Windows was purchased legitimately every time they make a hardware change. I really can't see how any version of Windows since Windows 2000 could be considered any good.
Windows 2000 was as innovative as Server 2012 now. People hated Windows 2000 back in 2000 in the same way they hated Windows 7 in 2007 (and then got used to it).
80% of enterprizes and 90% of residential users think the other way.
Another lame reason. The first googling attempt will describe the way how to set it up. My quick launch on Win 7 Pro:
Why? Because you don't have to insert CD anymore to install additional features - all features are stored in \Windows folder. Now you don't have to copy i386 back and forth.
Bullshit. There is "postpone" button which will allow you to install all updates and only then reboot your PC.
Bullshit. Server 2012 does not have Metro style. Windows 8 is initially tablet/touchscreen OS so Metro style is convenient and useful.
No shit. Should I look for numbers to show you what OSs have the highest volumes of pirated versions?
Well, if you can't see how XP and 7 were good - there is really nothing to talk about. Go read the numbers and see how many people were/are using XP/7.
Metro UI is the largest bullshit ever.
I nope'd 2 days after installing Windows 8 and got Start8. http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/
I also got another program from them that removes metro apps from full screen.
That is so stupid. I have a large monitor for a reason. That reason is not to have PDFs or skype fullscreen so I have to ALT+Tab to see what else I'm doing.
I haven't used the metro ui since then. It would be good on tablets. On computers, no.
Windows 7 is magnitudes better than 2000 and XP. XP is on it's last legs now, IIRC they're going to stop updating it relatively soon.
and yes you can postpone updates, but it's such an annoying task that I bet a lot of people simply don't do it.
Matter of personal preference. You can set up the original desktop to be presented on logon, not Metro UI - and you will have the original Windows 7 Desktop experience.
You don't even have to click on "Postpone" - just leave this popup hanging and it won't automatically bounce your PC.
Yeah, with the old dock removed:
You still have to use the new interface to search for files, adjust settings, etc. And it's garbage.
Buying Start8 and that other product was the best $10 I spent in a long, long time.
>paying for a start menu when the start screen is perfectly fine
Apparently they are bringing it back in 8.2
Good to hear, they are bringing it back then because everyone hates the new interface.
Sure, I paid for it. But it means I never have to see the metro UI at all. Which is amazing.
Sarcastic pretty much addressed your comment. And there were tons of free small programs from third-party vendors that make Start button possible. Example: Classic Shell.
Moreover, you can permanently disable Metro UI if you hate it so much.
So instead of being able to natively use the classic interface, you still have to download programs and create scripts in order to get it to behave like Win7's interface.
I don't mind paying $5 for a quality program. If I had downloaded one of the free alternatives, I still would have donated $5.
So who's dumb enough to actually buy their shit for Windows 8 instead of just rolling back to Windows 7?
As much as I would recommend gamers to stick to Windows just for gaming, why would you pay to use Windows 8 and not get used to something new? This mentality exists not only for users of Windows 7 to Windows 8, but also to users of Windows to Linux, going to Gnome 3 and Unity (Ubuntu). Learn something new dammit!
So far Unity and Gnome 3 work perfectly on a desktop, the ONLY thing I would agree on would be that Windows 8 has a touchscreen interface, but it sucks as a desktop, MS pretty much made a pretty good touch OS, but not the best desktop.
Fight the urge to using the classic interface, use Unity or Gnome 3.
MS was trying to push new concept through - can't blame them for that. Some people did like Metro UI and got accustomed to it. Some people like you did not like it - so for those people MS is bringing old desktop experience back. Everybody's happy
I stuck with Win8 because it was less of a hassle for me than wiping and doing a fresh install of Win7.
$10 is nothing, I don't mind paying a little bit more for convenience.
GNOME2 was good. I'm not against learning new things, but don't fix what isn't broken.
Desktop UI as a whole doesn't need to be redesigned. I don't understand why people keep on trying to reinvent the desktop.
There is nothing wrong with the traditional desktop, and there isn't much to improve.
Yeah I'm psyched for it. They should've done that from the beginning, though. Like Ubuntu did with the new Unity interface.
Goddammit hippie, you just can't see how much better the newer desktop is. MS didn't reinvent shit though, all they did was bring their Xbax UI and slap it on top of the traditional desktop.
The traditional desktop *was* good, now it's outdated and you really haven't given Unity or Gnome 3 a chance (15-30 days) as far as I can tell. Tolerate the amount of time it takes and you'll get used to it, it seriously works so much more efficiently once you get the hang of them.
Actually, a CLI > desktop. says me.
The desktop isn't outdated by any means. I just don't think it can get any more refined. Again, that's my viewpoint.
I'm just glad Ubuntu had the foresight to allow changes back to the classic interface.
That's no problem dude. It's quite shocking though that the CLI is still popular.
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