[Suggestion] Broaden the rules on lolicon material

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Meowcenary, Apr 9, 2014.

  1. Shula

    Shula Australian Skial God Contributor

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    I'll take my chances outside of /b/
     
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  2. Kyle

    Kyle Gaben's Own Aimbot Contributor

    Steam:
    I've /b/rowsed long enough to know what is and isn't lolicon by /b/ standards. I think I'll pass on actually looking for those abominable threads.
     
  3. KinCryos

    KinCryos TF2 Admin Contributor Mapper

    Steam:
  4. Dave the Manly

    Dave the Manly Gaben's Own Aimbot Contributor

    Steam:
    As crazy as it sounds, I'm pretty sure our admins are brighter than that.
    +Dave
     
  5. Renegade

    Renegade Gaben's Own Aimbot Contributor

    Steam:
  6. ЯS6 Augar

    ЯS6 Augar Totally Ordinary Human Contributor

    Steam:
    Show me the picture. I can tell you ;)
     
  7. ЯS6 Augar

    ЯS6 Augar Totally Ordinary Human Contributor

    Steam:
    Better yet, let's ban Anime sprays! Because there is too much "gray area".
     
  8. Antamania

    Antamania Gaben's Own Aimbot Contributor

    Steam:
    I don't see a problem with clarification, but I also think it should remain admin discretion.
     
  9. Arya

    Arya Spectacularly Lethal Soldier

    Steam:
    I gotta say this would be a bad idea actually. Even though yeah lolicon is disgusting, it's goes against skial tradition to clarify rules. I can have sarcasm telling me one thing one day and sroy or mocha or someone telling me the opposite the next( just using names here). If you were to clarify only one rule then why not clarify all of them while your at it. Only one though is just kinda stupid. <3 meow
     
  10. Renegade

    Renegade Gaben's Own Aimbot Contributor

    Steam:
    Rules
    • Spamming
    • Hacking
    • Exploiting
      • Includes killing somebody with a flamethrower through a gate before the round has begun
    • Racism and other insults to gender, religion and sexual orientation. Does not include discussion of why it is against the rules.
      • Any form of the word nigger (nigga, nigg etc.) is not allowed even if you are just quoting a rap song or you are black, to prevent actual racists from using the same excuse.
    • Scamming
    • Admin impersonation
    • Posting others personal and private information without consent.
    • Dodging
      • Bypassing punishment like gag/mute/ban by disconnecting or changing your name
    • Illegal sprays.
      • Example: lolicon porn, child porn, etc
    • Harming your team for an extended period of time.
      • Example: blocking sniper views, teleporter traps, refusing to help advance your teams position
    • Abusing the vote-menu
      • Example: calling false votes
    • Abusing the report system
      • Example: reporting someone who is not breaking a rule.

    I think it's safe to say that the rules are pretty specific. And considering how you've only been a member since January, I hardly think you'd know anything about "Skial tradition".
     
  11. DeathSod

    DeathSod Legendary Skial King

    Really, all you have to do is figure out the age. Im assuming a lot of the admins are using breast size as an indicator of age, use height, body frame, and facial features. If its small enough to be a child, its big enough to be a ban.
     
  12. Meowcenary

    Meowcenary Gaben's Own Aimbot Contributor

    Steam:
    If it was this simple this thread wouldn't be here. I've had to let porn sprays slide that were depicting anime girls the size of children with child like attributes on the sole basis that they aren't completely flat-chested. Keep in mind I only come to those conclusions after sending the sprays to 3-4 other admins for their opinions, all of which come back mixed.

    It is up to admin discretion, but that's the problem; it's extremely subjective. If I banned the person I was talking about earlier some admins would disagree with me, rate me dumb and probably question if I'm even right for the job. On the other hand the other side of the admins would agree the ban would of been justified.

    If I take action then X admins will feel I'm banning a innocent person which is obviously a problem. If I don't take action then Y admins may feel I'm letting someone get away scott free with spraying lolicon everywhere.

    I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place with a gray area in the middle.
     
  13. Smokey

    Smokey Gaben's Own Aimbot Contributor

    Steam:
    Just reverse image search the spray into google and find it on any given image board. The image will have tags defining the picture. Simple.
     
  14. KillerZebra

    KillerZebra Forum Admin Contributor

    Steam:
    This doesn't change a thing. Instead of you asking "is this lolicon?" you are asking yourself "is this person underaged?". There is still going to be the doubt of age and the material of the picture.

    If it looks like Lolicon/childporn ban the person and remove the spray. Maybe take a screenshot if you are comfortable doing so. He can always appeal and we can go over it then. I personally don't see a real need to clarify anything. That's my opinion on it.
     
  15. Meowcenary

    Meowcenary Gaben's Own Aimbot Contributor

    Steam:
    Not all images come from image boards with detailed tags. Even then some admins don't consider tags alone to be enough and there are other factors we have to deal with. It's not as simple as some people think it is
     
  16. Deadfront

    Deadfront Australian Skial God Contributor

    Steam:
    If it looked even close I removed it and gave a warning. If they persisted after then it was a ban. Of course if it was blatant I banned immediately. If they felt strong enough about what they were doing they can come appeal.
     
  17. Smokey

    Smokey Gaben's Own Aimbot Contributor

    Steam:
    Then you will always have that gray area and there will always be room for doubt. Art is art, even if it is pornographic, it is always up for interpretation. That's just how it works. The artist creates media to provoke others with varying methods and success. All I'm saying is you can't really "broaden" the rules on a gray area.
     
  18. DeathSod

    DeathSod Legendary Skial King

    I think we should just disallow nude sprays altogether. I mean, we're playing tf2 here, do I really need to masturbate while I shoot flames at you? Wait... never mind I do.
     
  19. Pinker-tan

    Pinker-tan Gaben's Own Aimbot Contributor

    Steam:
  20. KinCryos

    KinCryos TF2 Admin Contributor Mapper

    Steam:
    Code:
    sv_pure 2
    there. all sprays disabled. debates averted
     
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