Meowcenary

Gaben's Own Aimbot
Contributor
The current rule is no material such as lolicon can be sprayed and understandably so.

My suggestion is to broaden the no lolicon rule to something along the lines of "no pornographic or sexual material depicting a person or character of questionable age"

The reason is due to the gray area. What one admin considers lolicon another admin may disagree with. This causes confusion and unnecessary frustration while allowing some people to spray lolicon and get way with it on sheer technicalities.

To give an example of the troubles of the current rule:
Earlier today someone sprayed a a nude drawing of a girl. She looked very young but it wasn't blatant lolicon so I got admin opinions on it.

The first admin didn't know what to do
The second admin said it was lolicon
The third said it wasn't lolicon

But they all agreed it was of questionable age. Because I received differing opinions I didn't know what to do so I let it slide.

This happens fairly often and its becoming frustrating. Broadening the rule to allow no sexual sprays of questionable aged people or characters, drawn or real would greatly cut down on the 'gray area' that admins have to deal with when it comes to lolicon sprays.

TL;DR: Currently only blatant lolicon is handled with ease. Questionably aged material is in a gray area which makes it difficult to handle. Disallow sexual/pornographic sprays of questionably aged people/drawn characters entirely to cut out the gray area.
 

Shula

Legendary Skial King
Contributor
4chans /b/

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I'll take my chances outside of /b/
 
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Kyle

Australian Skial God
Contributor
I think the best way to train our admins on what is or isn't lolicon is to have all the admins go to 4chans /b/ board until they find a loli thread and have them look at every single picture so everyone has a clear idea of what's considered lolicon



The questionable age in the rules is a pretty good idea too though
I've /b/rowsed long enough to know what is and isn't lolicon by /b/ standards. I think I'll pass on actually looking for those abominable threads.
 

Antamania

Australian Skial God
Contributor
I don't see a problem with clarification, but I also think it should remain admin discretion.
 

Arya

Spectacularly Lethal Soldier
I gotta say this would be a bad idea actually. Even though yeah lolicon is disgusting, it's goes against skial tradition to clarify rules. I can have sarcasm telling me one thing one day and sroy or mocha or someone telling me the opposite the next( just using names here). If you were to clarify only one rule then why not clarify all of them while your at it. Only one though is just kinda stupid. <3 meow
 

Renegade

Australian Skial God
Contributor
it's goes against skial tradition to clarify rules

Rules
  • Spamming
  • Hacking
  • Exploiting
    • Includes killing somebody with a flamethrower through a gate before the round has begun
  • Racism and other insults to gender, religion and sexual orientation. Does not include discussion of why it is against the rules.
    • Any form of the word nigger (nigga, nigg etc.) is not allowed even if you are just quoting a rap song or you are black, to prevent actual racists from using the same excuse.
  • Scamming
  • Admin impersonation
  • Posting others personal and private information without consent.
  • Dodging
    • Bypassing punishment like gag/mute/ban by disconnecting or changing your name
  • Illegal sprays.
    • Example: lolicon porn, child porn, etc
  • Harming your team for an extended period of time.
    • Example: blocking sniper views, teleporter traps, refusing to help advance your teams position
  • Abusing the vote-menu
    • Example: calling false votes
  • Abusing the report system
    • Example: reporting someone who is not breaking a rule.

I think it's safe to say that the rules are pretty specific. And considering how you've only been a member since January, I hardly think you'd know anything about "Skial tradition".
 

DeathSod

Legendary Skial King
Really, all you have to do is figure out the age. Im assuming a lot of the admins are using breast size as an indicator of age, use height, body frame, and facial features. If its small enough to be a child, its big enough to be a ban.
 

Meowcenary

Gaben's Own Aimbot
Contributor
Really, all you have to do is figure out the age. Im assuming a lot of the admins are using breast size as an indicator of age, use height, body frame, and facial features. If its small enough to be a child, its big enough to be a ban.

If it was this simple this thread wouldn't be here. I've had to let porn sprays slide that were depicting anime girls the size of children with child like attributes on the sole basis that they aren't completely flat-chested. Keep in mind I only come to those conclusions after sending the sprays to 3-4 other admins for their opinions, all of which come back mixed.

It is up to admin discretion, but that's the problem; it's extremely subjective. If I banned the person I was talking about earlier some admins would disagree with me, rate me dumb and probably question if I'm even right for the job. On the other hand the other side of the admins would agree the ban would of been justified.

If I take action then X admins will feel I'm banning a innocent person which is obviously a problem. If I don't take action then Y admins may feel I'm letting someone get away scott free with spraying lolicon everywhere.

I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place with a gray area in the middle.
 

Smokey

Australian Skial God
Contributor
Just reverse image search the spray into google and find it on any given image board. The image will have tags defining the picture. Simple.
 

KillerZebra

Forum Admin
Contributor
Disallow sexual/pornographic sprays of questionably aged people/drawn characters entirely to cut out the gray area.

This doesn't change a thing. Instead of you asking "is this lolicon?" you are asking yourself "is this person underaged?". There is still going to be the doubt of age and the material of the picture.

If it looks like Lolicon/childporn ban the person and remove the spray. Maybe take a screenshot if you are comfortable doing so. He can always appeal and we can go over it then. I personally don't see a real need to clarify anything. That's my opinion on it.
 

Meowcenary

Gaben's Own Aimbot
Contributor
Just reverse image search the spray into google and find it on any given image board. The image will have tags defining the picture. Simple.

Not all images come from image boards with detailed tags. Even then some admins don't consider tags alone to be enough and there are other factors we have to deal with. It's not as simple as some people think it is
 

Deadfront

Legendary Skial King
Contributor
If it looked even close I removed it and gave a warning. If they persisted after then it was a ban. Of course if it was blatant I banned immediately. If they felt strong enough about what they were doing they can come appeal.
 

Smokey

Australian Skial God
Contributor
Not all images come from image boards with detailed tags. Even then some admins don't consider tags alone to be enough and there are other factors we have to deal with. It's not as simple as some people think it is
Then you will always have that gray area and there will always be room for doubt. Art is art, even if it is pornographic, it is always up for interpretation. That's just how it works. The artist creates media to provoke others with varying methods and success. All I'm saying is you can't really "broaden" the rules on a gray area.
 

DeathSod

Legendary Skial King
I think we should just disallow nude sprays altogether. I mean, we're playing tf2 here, do I really need to masturbate while I shoot flames at you? Wait... never mind I do.