Meowcenary

Gaben's Own Aimbot
Contributor
The current rule is no material such as lolicon can be sprayed and understandably so.

My suggestion is to broaden the no lolicon rule to something along the lines of "no pornographic or sexual material depicting a person or character of questionable age"

The reason is due to the gray area. What one admin considers lolicon another admin may disagree with. This causes confusion and unnecessary frustration while allowing some people to spray lolicon and get way with it on sheer technicalities.

To give an example of the troubles of the current rule:
Earlier today someone sprayed a a nude drawing of a girl. She looked very young but it wasn't blatant lolicon so I got admin opinions on it.

The first admin didn't know what to do
The second admin said it was lolicon
The third said it wasn't lolicon

But they all agreed it was of questionable age. Because I received differing opinions I didn't know what to do so I let it slide.

This happens fairly often and its becoming frustrating. Broadening the rule to allow no sexual sprays of questionable aged people or characters, drawn or real would greatly cut down on the 'gray area' that admins have to deal with when it comes to lolicon sprays.

TL;DR: Currently only blatant lolicon is handled with ease. Questionably aged material is in a gray area which makes it difficult to handle. Disallow sexual/pornographic sprays of questionably aged people/drawn characters entirely to cut out the gray area.
 

hXcjedders

Australian Skial God
I feel that the admins can just remove any questionable sprays and ban for the clear cut ones.
 

Meowcenary

Gaben's Own Aimbot
Contributor
I feel that the admins can just remove any questionable sprays and ban for the clear cut ones.

They can continue spraying it until they're told to stop or are forced to stop.

I can't ban them or tell them to stop if I'm stuck in the middle of a gray area and only have a handful of differing opinions from various admins to go off of.
 

sov

Legendary Skial King
They can continue spraying it until they're told to stop or are forced to stop.

I can't ban them or tell them to stop if I'm stuck in the middle of a gray area and only have a handful of differing opinions from various admins to go off of.
they can??? more like they will. most players will reply "idc" or "idgaf".
 

hXcjedders

Australian Skial God
They can continue spraying it until they're told to stop or are forced to stop.

I can't ban them or tell them to stop if I'm stuck in the middle of a gray area and a handful of differing opinions from various admins.

But thats the thing. You CAN ban them. Its at your discretion. If you ask them to stop spraying it and they continue I feel its justified. If they come back and appeal it so be it.
 

Pengy

Legendary Skial King
+0
The way I see it, it's the admins call. You don't have to ask for others opinions, you can issue a warning, you can remove the spray, you can ban the offender, etc. There's so many options available for you I just don't feel this is warrented.
 

The Mad Officer RedKnucks

Somewhat Threatening Sniper
But thats the thing. You CAN ban them. Its at your discretion. If you ask them to stop spraying it and they continue I feel its justified. If they come back and appeal it so be it.

They shouldn't have the child porn sprays in the first place, I know you're playing devils advocate but the bottom line is if you have a Lolicon spray you're a sick person, no ifs ands or buts about it, its VERY illegal in EU and thats where at least a quarter of the servers are, why not roll it out to all severs.
 

DaivdBaekr

Moderator
Contributor
I wouldn't feel comfortable being obligated to perma-ban someone for a spray I'm not sure about.
 

Meowcenary

Gaben's Own Aimbot
Contributor
But thats the thing. You CAN ban them. Its at your discretion. If you ask them to stop spraying it and they continue I feel its justified. If they come back and appeal it so be it.

I know I can, I understand its up to admin discretion, but this would still make it much more easier for us to handle.

When I said I can't ban over it I mean I don't want to ban someone when I have other admins disagreeing with the decision. This small rule change can help admins deal with these loli spray gray areas more comfortably
 

DaivdBaekr

Moderator
Contributor
You would for actual child porn, in many countrys Lolicon is considered the same.
If I wasn't sure about actual porn I'd ask another admin to come on and give their opinion.
Which is also how lolicon's handled at the moment.
But that's your discretion. Im just saying that admins have sufficient power and brain capacity to make decisions like this.
Actually my point was that I'm against it. I guess when +/- 1s get left out things get hazy.
 

Shula

Legendary Skial King
Contributor
I was actually the admin that leaned towards it being loli. I very well could be mistaken, but the character looked young to me. Meow was right in asking other admins for their opinions. He did not get a definite answer, but it may have helped him make a more informed decision on this grey area we have.

I think if there is any question or it's unclear then it should be brought to other admins to take a look at it.
 

Kyle

Australian Skial God
Contributor
Just placing in an addendum in the illegal content rule that says "Girls of questionable age" isn't going to help much since it just pushes the gray-area of "Is it illegal or not?" to "Is it questionable or not?"
 

[Interrogator]

Australian Skial God
Contributor
I think the best way to train our admins on what is or isn't lolicon is to have all the admins go to 4chans /b/ board until they find a loli thread and have them look at every single picture so everyone has a clear idea of what's considered lolicon



The questionable age in the rules is a pretty good idea too though
 

Avenger

Epic Skial Regular
Contributor
I think the best way to train our admins on what is or isn't lolicon is to have all the admins go to 4chans /b/ board until they find a loli thread and have them look at every single picture so everyone has a clear idea of what's considered lolicon



The questionable age in the rules is a pretty good idea too though
I can see it now: New admins are enrolled in online-school courses that take them on tours of all the worst places in the internet, eventually being granted admin powers after completing the dreadful two-week course

Gray areas are bad