Admin Contest Classy

[CiNiC]

ok, I'm confused. Is the issue something to do with behaviour on US29, or on the badlands server?

Both, but that doesn't matter. Server rules apply to all the servers.

If you all want to nit pick the details, go ahead and focus on that instead of what actually happened.

 

[Brick]

I guess a vote would be the proper thing to do. But in the end it all comes down to Bottiger's decision.
For now I am going to hold off on my vote since I have never actually seen Classy griefing firsthand, but I have received complaints. So I can't say that I have not seen some proof either.
My suggestion would not be for a complete power removal, but maybe more of a probation period.

 

[(cYs) Del Piero]

I guess a vote would be the proper thing to do. But in the end it all comes down to Bottiger's decision.

I talked to Bottiger last night and if I understood him right he wanted a vote on the forums and that he will consider it in his decision. I don't have the chat history from steam here otherwise I could provide a quote.

 

[CiNiC]

(all these things aren't relevant) Ruelel, Cinic will consider it greifing if you managed a 5:1 with an caber (unlikely). Stop arguing about the fine points.
Cinic, In "insults of the Cinic" Bottiger explicitly asked you to stop flaming, which caused that post.
In the "power tripping" tread Bottiger said you were making the whole community look bad.
In the "nbz-holdan" thread Bottiger agreed that that was not a ban. You then later corrected yourself, saying it wasn't.
You are still here, after numerous problems that were brought to the attention of the HEAD admin.
Saying Airikah is innocent is like saying you can allow some greifing sometimes but not always.

I did stop flaming and wrote an apology thread. I ceased doing those type of actions and had only ban enabled for a month. I don't remember the holden thread, and I'm on mobile.
I didn't say she was innocent. If you want to toss her, go right ahead.

 

[_In_Sanity]

Not gonna vote, haven't been on these severs enough recently and I try to make a point of not weighing in on decisions like this unless I have more involvement. That said, do want to make an observation. I know that this is a large community with a lot of servers and it is unreasonable to expect the same level of structure that smaller clans and groups are able to maintain, but every time I stop by these forums I feel like I have to physically wade through all the needless drama and petty squabbles. I think that an effort to give a bit more structure, and a clearer list of expectations and responsibilities of admins could do a lot to help improve this clan.

This doesn't need to be a discussion, the topic has come up before, admins who see this, give it a thought. Otherwise, carry on and don't mind me I'll be inspecting the trimmings in the corner over there

 

[CiNiC]

FireGame, Bott said himself the likelyhood of him hacking was greater than 50%, and it was in third person, which threw me off. Other two were alright examples, that isn't.

 

[FireGame]

I did stop flaming and wrote an apology thread. I ceased doing those type of actions and had only ban enabled for a month. I don't remember the holden thread, and I'm on mobile.
I didn't say she was innocent. If you want to toss her, go right ahead.

The point isn't that you stopped, it's that you were given another chance. It Classy had as many chacnes as you he could grief the server for a few weeks before he would actually lose admin.
Throw Airikah in (sorry). It's the fair thing to do. If she did something you considered wrong then she should be punished to the same extent as Classy.

 

[CiNiC]

The point isn't that you stopped, it's that you were given another chance. It Classy had as many chacnes as you he could grief the server for a few weeks before he would actually lose admin.
Throw Airikah in (sorry). It's the fair thing to do. If she did something you considered wrong then she should be punished to the same extent as Classy.

There's a difference between making slight accidents or offending someone and CONSCIOUSLY breaking server rules for several hours three days in a row WHILE receiving distinct warnings to stop.
She didn't go to his extents, which is why I did not include her. She did once, for less than an hour. That was the only case of actually breaking server rules.

 

[(cYs) Del Piero]

Throw Airikah in (sorry). It's the fair thing to do. If she did something you considered wrong then she should be punished to the same extent as Classy.

Classy is a lot more immature compared to Airikah. People don't look up to Classy saying "what a great admin, I respect him". It's more like "oh there's the troll-admin from US29 again".
Moreover Classy broke the server rules!

 

[ViperStriker]

Ruelel, Airakah and Classy decided to all change their names and appear offline in order to dodge me catching them for griefing.

Actually, I should replace Airakah in that list. I was the one that disguised as McMuster then JD. I apologized already though.

EDIT: I just saw the explanation of why Airakah was on the list. Disregard the above Statement.

I voted Removal Of Administrator. Classy can be cool and calm alot of the time, but most of the time, he can be in a really shitty mood. Don't know why. Don't know if it's something someone did. Don't know if it's problems with life. Just tired of hearing his anger taken out on people. I have to vote Removal.

 

[CiNiC]

Actually, I should replace Airakah in that list. I was the one that disguised as McMuster then JD. I apologized already though.

I voted Removal of Administrator since he can be unfitting of admin at times. Classy has his good moments but most of the time, when I'll join the Server he's on, he'll just be a douchebag.

No, she was there, saw the profile pic and the friends list logo on scoreboard.

 

[FireGame]

Cinic, you can be a greater troll then anyone at time. Look at most treads with trolls, you'll be amongst their ranks. Online you are often more loud then Stems, constantly yelling at people to change classes, even when not on 29.

However, I would call you one of my preferred admins for solving a problem. Why? Because if I send you a message you will help me out if there is a greifer/ hackers. Classy did the same, although I have called him less. One problem doesn't constitute a removal of power.

 

[ViperStriker]

No, she was there, saw the profile pic and the friends list logo on scoreboard.

Yeah, I just edited the original post like a few minuted ago. You can read the edit if you want.

 

[Airakah]

I know I promised you I wouldn't come back for awhile but I just couldn't ignore this.
If anyone should be removed from Admin it is you cinic.
You troll anyone who doesn't use the kinds of weapons you like.
You troll anyone who doesn't like you.
You get drunk and yell at your friends.
I'm not saying what Classy, Ruelel, and I did that day was right but it was nothing bad enough to be removed from admin.
Classy is a damn good admin, he might have his bad moments but everyone does.
How many second chances have you had, Cinic?
I remember when I first joined skial you were in some sort of trouble as admin and had to have me vouche for you on the forums.

 

[CiNiC]

Cinic, you can be a greater troll then anyone at time. Look at most treads with trolls, you'll be amongst their ranks. Online you are often more loud then Stems, constantly yelling at people to change classes, even when not on 29.

However, I would call you one of my preferred admins for solving a problem. Why? Because if I send you a message you will help me out if there is a greifer/ hackers. Classy did the same, although I have called him less. One problem doesn't constitute a removal of power.

"Be tender and encouraging," isn't a server rule. Not intentionally harming your team is.
Actions speak louder than words.

 

[RisenDemon]

Cinic, you can be a greater troll then anyone at time. Look at most treads with trolls, you'll be amongst their ranks. Online you are often more loud then Stems, constantly yelling at people to change classes, even when not on 29.

However, I would call you one of my preferred admins for solving a problem. Why? Because if I send you a message you will help me out if there is a greifer/ hackers. Classy did the same, although I have called him less. One problem doesn't constitute a removal of power.

I believe the problem is that once you are told to stop doing what you are doing, you should probably stop. If you continue doing it while an admin is telling you to stop, expect a kick or temp ban. BUT, if an admin is the one doing the greifing or whatnot, who else but anothe admin can tell him to stop?

 

[CiNiC]

I know I promised you I wouldn't come back for awhile but I just couldn't ignore this.
If anyone should be removed from Admin it is you cinic.
You troll anyone who doesn't use the kinds of weapons you like.
You troll anyone who doesn't like you.
You get drunk and yell at your friends.
I'm not saying what Classy, Ruelel, and I did that day was right but it was nothing bad enough to be removed from admin.
Classy is a damn good admin, he might have his bad moments but everyone does.
How many second chances have you had, Cinic?
I remember when I first joined skial you were in some sort of trouble as admin and had to have me vouche for you on the forums.

I didn't see a single action against the rules or that one can't easily resolve, angel.

 

[Brick]

That was the absolute last thing I expected to see posted here.

 

[CiNiC]

That was the absolute last thing I expected to see posted here.

Yep.

 

[Airakah]

I didn't see a single action against the rules or that one can't easily resolve, angel.

So, getting drunk and yelling at regs is okay? getting drunk and yelling at random people on 2fort isn't gonna give skial a bad name?? I don't know how many times ive gone onto us22 and seen you bullying people.

I don't think us going onto badlands, changing our names, and playing a bit differently is that bad :l our team won half the time anyways! I understand that you're mad that we wrecked your good time on your no crit, and trust me I will never do that again.
But to have Classy removed for it? really? you've taken things too far this time.