XenoMorphin' Power Ranger
Somewhat Threatening Sniper
Commonly on the server we discuss that having Hoodoo and Goldrush in the rotation would be beneficial. Is this something that can be accomplished?
Declined Skial Payload+ US Requests Hoodoo and Goldrush
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Bottiger
Administrator
Because we did that before and all it accomplished was lower player counts, sometimes even killing the server for the day when Hoodoo was picked at night?
I hear complaints for Hoodoo and Goldrush (ESPECIALLY Goldrush) often. I play for at least 3 hours everyday, and everyday the topic of Goldrush comes up. I know many people have mentioned becoming regulars or becoming donators if these maps were added. Several times people have joined and asked, "Where's Goldrush? No Goldrush?" and that's the last we hear from them. It's in everyone's best interest if y'all spent five minutes to figure it out.
Point taken Bottiger, and I certainly can't discount your words regarding goldrush, as you would know better of server issues. I've never seen it happen, but I guess I just wasn't there at the time under those circumstances.
But regarding Hoodoo, I'd have to agree with Xeno. The popularity is probably similar to Snowycoast possibly? It's certainly favored more than Cactus Canyon. I can't see the server emptying if Hoodoo were selected. I feel confident in that statement at least. It's actually being discussed now on the server.
Can't see the harm in putting it in rotation for a bit and letting it be proven out or not. Regular players enjoy playing on the server together, and are asking for at least the option.
(edit: Apparently when I signed in from Steam as opposed to the board directly it may have duped my acct? )
But regarding Hoodoo, I'd have to agree with Xeno. The popularity is probably similar to Snowycoast possibly? It's certainly favored more than Cactus Canyon. I can't see the server emptying if Hoodoo were selected. I feel confident in that statement at least. It's actually being discussed now on the server.
Can't see the harm in putting it in rotation for a bit and letting it be proven out or not. Regular players enjoy playing on the server together, and are asking for at least the option.
(edit: Apparently when I signed in from Steam as opposed to the board directly it may have duped my acct? )
XenoMorphin' Power Ranger
Somewhat Threatening Sniper
Couldnt agree more. If Goldrush can have issues, so be it. New options like Hoodoo, Pipeline, and Nightfall would be well worth testing with the current players on the server. If they fail, they fail. I think you will find much of the server's populatiry comes from the community as opposed to the maps.
EVERY map can cause a server to empty...most people say "after this map, I'm leaving". And if people don't like Hoodoo, they won't vote for it.... Cactus Canyon probably gets played twice a week and people usually vote that as a troll map. Cactus Canyon is 10x worse than Hoodoo, and I hate Hoodoo. But neither will force me to leave the server if regulars were on. More than maps, PEOPLE keep players coming. Adding more maps = regulars stay = players come in. I see the same people every night come in and not even talk with mic users. These people sit on a waiting list JUST to get during busy hours and play with a fun community. These regulars already don't get along too well with admins, and closing your ears to them doesn't help. People have already suggested just moving away from skial because they never listen to us and only have their own interests. Adding two maps is simple and keeps the player base happy and keeps the money flowing.
Bottiger
Administrator
The server usually won't drop from 30 to 0 in an instant. But when I checked, Hoodoo was around 30% less popular than the other maps. This is a significant difference.
We can not consider adding Goldrush back in because of crashes. And I don't thnk Valve has fixed it. I guarentee you that other servers doing 32 slot goldrush have the same problem. If not, they probably don't have a lot of players with cosmetics, or they aren't as active as our servers. When we were running it, we had a crash maybe 1 per 2 days.
A crash kills a server much harder than not having goldrush. If you want to play goldrush, we have a 24 slot server.
We have tested Pipeline and Nightfall before and they were even less popular than Hoodoo and we even had people complain that PLR doesn't belong in a payload server.
Cactus canyon used to be very popular maybe only because it was new. I haven't checked on it's popularity recently so maybe it is time to remove it.
We can not consider adding Goldrush back in because of crashes. And I don't thnk Valve has fixed it. I guarentee you that other servers doing 32 slot goldrush have the same problem. If not, they probably don't have a lot of players with cosmetics, or they aren't as active as our servers. When we were running it, we had a crash maybe 1 per 2 days.
A crash kills a server much harder than not having goldrush. If you want to play goldrush, we have a 24 slot server.
We have tested Pipeline and Nightfall before and they were even less popular than Hoodoo and we even had people complain that PLR doesn't belong in a payload server.
Cactus canyon used to be very popular maybe only because it was new. I haven't checked on it's popularity recently so maybe it is time to remove it.
XenoMorphin' Power Ranger
Somewhat Threatening Sniper
And based on current discussions and disputes about populatiry it might be time to run a new test for Hoodoo, Pipeline, and Nightfall. I think you will find different results. Many regulars are simply requesting to try. It's not like we are asking for anything extreme here.
Pretty sure No Heroes has a 32 man Bad/Rush server with a bunch of dumb mods and replays that has been up every day for years.
Why the fuck have Thunder Mountain then?
The problem is you not adding them.
Nice.
This is one of the dumbest excuses I've ever read. If people don't like Hoodoo then they won't vote for it. If the map is Hoodoo during the day then maybe the people who have spent, I don't know, hundreds of hours on the server will vote for a different map?
When was the last time you had a 32 person payload rotation server with Gold Rush and/or Hoodoo?
Bottiger
Administrator
I've never seen a case where an old map became popular again though, except when Valve boosted the popularity artificially by creating quickplay. New maps go from popular to unpopular all the time.
XenoMorphin' Power Ranger
Somewhat Threatening Sniper
Plasmetallic
Mildly Menacing Medic
I would love new maps, but if there's an opposition, could we at least try the maps? Get some feedback from players and see what they think. Plus, I think a little variety would be nice once in a while.
After deeply considerating the request to reply to this motion, I would like to move to agree with the motion to include these maps in the rotation. The validity of this request is quite understandable, as the current rotation could use some seriously stupendous maps to add some jazz to it. If others want to suggest something else, that sounds lovely, too. Please consider this request, and we all greatly appreciate it. Have a wonderful day. Bye, Felicia, with love.
What is the point of opposing people when you're clearly in the minority? People want to try, but you don't. Are you just that stubborn or lazy? What's the point of sticking to your guns?
Bottiger
Administrator
I bet you it either doesn't fill up enough or that it has crashed before and you never noticed. When we were running 32 slot goldrush, no one ever came to me and told me that it was crashing, but it was.
We used to have multiple 24/7 thunder mountain servers with regulars that didn't have a home when they became too unpopulated to keep.
Adding them back won't make them magically more popular.
This is in theory. In reality, most people are too lazy to even vote and most votes aren't won by a large majority. If you have badwater, frontier, and hoodoo on the menu, and hoodoo wins with 40%, and badwater gets 30 and frontier gets 30, most of the server could still be disappointed.
I've got to agree with much of what has been posted by the regulars on the server here on the forums already....people play on a specific server, and in this case this one because of the community of regulars that play there. I've been on and off the server all day today, and without prompting (honestly) 3 people unaware of this thread and current request asked about Hoodoo. I won't bother with the Goldrush requests made as this is obviously a "no go" at this point. Again, fair nuff if it's server crash issues.
But I can tell you if you asked about adding Hoodoo on the server, to the people actually playing on it... you;d see it was more popular than you are stating.
People don't leave a server, or at least this server due to a map change. They do however, leave when the regular crew of players and subscribers leave.
But I can tell you if you asked about adding Hoodoo on the server, to the people actually playing on it... you;d see it was more popular than you are stating.
People don't leave a server, or at least this server due to a map change. They do however, leave when the regular crew of players and subscribers leave.
ALSO, there's an admin here (AT MOST) once a month. How can ANY of you be in touch with what is or isn't popular on the server? We're voicing our opinion NOW and you're denying its popularity.
XenoMorphin' Power Ranger
Somewhat Threatening Sniper
There is absolutly nothing to lose in adding a few new maps to try out. I simply cannot understand why trying is out of the question. Sometimes people and trends change. Right now, people want something they may not have wanted before. If it turns out to not be worth it, it's not like anything was lost in trying.