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ly_dee

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I initially wanted the rule to be removed but it'd make skial a homophobic and sexist community..

The rule is too vague. I've never seen an admin punish someone for insulting a female, for instance. Everytime someone reports a person for sexism/discrimination (which is rare), most admins say "client mute". So why is there a rule in the first place? You should specify exactly what is meant by insults, just like how you specified what racism is by providing examples.

When people type in !rules or go on skial.com to check the server rules they see that insults to gender and sexual orientations are against the rules. Insults means what it means. So if we followed that guideline, any kind of insult would be worth reporting. Then admins would be overwhelmed by the amount of reports from fragile souls that can't handle trash talks.

It's tricky to enforce such a rule due to the degree of the insults, so at least make it clear once and for all so nobody brings this topic up again and makes a debate about it. Players are not familiar with skial's policy on the matter. They don't know what is considered "serious insults". You need to inform them better. Maybe there is a reason why people don't even bother reporting cases of insults because they always end up being declined. It can be frustrating as they think they're doing good by reporting something that is against the rules by definition but then get told that it's not "serious" enough. So maybe having something like

Racism and other insults to gender, religion and sexual orientation. Does not include discussion of why it is against the rules.
  • Any form of the word nigger (nigga, nigg, etc.) is not allowed even if you are just quoting a rap song or you are black, to prevent racists and kids using the same excuse.
  • Generic insults are allowed (faggot, whore, etc.)
  • Insults like "you cock thirsty slut shouldn't play video games and should go clean your house instead then spread your legs afterwards so your bf can reward you for your good work", "don't use your mic you fucking queer, you're spreading aids to all the people in the server because of all the cocks that have entered your nasty asshole. You faggots need to die for the straight people to live in a better place", etc. may result in silences.
would be better.

EDIT: to sum up, either modify by adding at least one bullet point to clarify, because skial is not enforcing the rule whatsoever, or even remove it completely.
 
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Luke

Legendary Skial King
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OR the rules can be enforced like they are for racial slurs since they are all listed under bullet point 5 (These actions may result in bans, silences, or other punishments.~Racism and other insults to gender, religion and sexual orientation.). To stand by in silence instead of speaking out against people using this sort of language makes all of us complicit to the actual issue. No one will change without correction if everyone here looks the other way.

Please don't mark my reply "Disagree" when we both agree, the rule is currently not being enforced- hence why I said it should needed "clarification/removal".
I don't really care what happens, I'd just rather not have a rule in the rules list that isn't being enforced across the board.
 

MagicalGirlEmi

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We don't agree. You didn't even check the content of each report. You assume that they were marked invalid legitimately.
 

LiterallyCody

Totally Ordinary Human
We don't agree. You didn't even check the content of each report. You assume that they were marked invalid legitimately.

Really? All the admin/mod, all they gotta do is look at the skial chatlog or the screenshot you posted. Obviously you have no clue what the server rules are. Clearly Racism isn't allowed, but it'd be ridiculous to allow rules against "gender/sexual/religion", then again. We're living in the new generation of radical leftist liberals going rampant, such as you darling, going full communism and hypocrisy. So no, leave us alone, we're not gonna change that at all.
 

Meowrisa

Australian Skial God
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I like insulting others based on gender, religion and sexual orientation. It's called freedom of speech darling, except Racism, that's a different story.
Actually it's called being a massive dick.

Anyways, racism isn't very different from insults based on gender, they're both things that you're born into, but for some reason we take more offense to one than the other.
That being said, a bit of friendly teasing with these insults or trash talk is completely different. I personally think that the rule should be case-by-case, and we shouldnt silence for just a stupid word, but that's me.
Regardless, I'm with Luke 100%; no matter what happens to this rule we need to clarify.
I remember being a new admin and banning people over this kind of stuff before being corrected, and I've met many regular players that see that rule and decide to report over it. This wastes their time and the admins if we're not even gonna enforce it.
 

MagicalGirlEmi

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The rules seem pretty clear. Seems like less of a rule issue and more of an (in)action issue since the mods won't enforce it.
 

Luke

Legendary Skial King
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We don't agree. You didn't even check the content of each report. You assume that they were marked invalid legitimately.

Sorry? I checked the content of both reports, looked through the chat logs of both people- they were both saying "fag" (or versions of that) and the rule about sexual orientation was not enforced, therefore in my opinion this rule needs clarification of exactly what language classes as breaking that rule- I've never seen that rule enforced for sexual orientation.

Edit: Wrote "spamming" instead of "saying", spamming would be a separate issue entirely
 

Party Chocobo

Australian Skial God
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I assume someone would have to say something along the lines of "i want to burn every queer faggot alive and exterminate their way of life" to warrent a silence. But just saying "lol what a faggot" isn't bad as it is already such common speech on the internet.
 

MagicalGirlEmi

Unremarkable User
I would like to suggest that "fag", "faggot" and variations of said words are treated like that of racial slurs. I back that with Skial servers mostly being North American based and the fact that as such, it mainly is a pejorative term in this area. I would like to submit this link to support this motion. https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/fag
 

Meowrisa

Australian Skial God
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I would like to suggest that "fag", "faggot" and variations of said words are treated like that of racial slurs. I back that with Skial servers mostly being North American based and the fact that as such, it mainly is a pejorative term in this area. I would like to submit this link to support this motion. https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/fag
To be quite frank, that would give Skial a lot more backlash then it already has allowing such words. I can see where you're coming from, but it's not the right decision from a community owners standpoint.
I assume someone would have to say something along the lines of "i want to burn every queer faggot alive and exterminate their way of life" to warrent a silence. But just saying "lol what a faggot" isn't bad as it is already such common speech on the internet.
Yeah, I think that admins should look into each instance with detail. If someone in particular is being outright harassed, or if someone is rambling about murdering all the gays in North America, then I think it could warrant a silence.
However, if someone says something like "lol fgt kys" to someone on their friends list? I don't think that warrants a ban silence (whoops) despite the words being so cruel; because obviously they don't want their friends to kill themselves.
 

mike-kirby

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Yeah, I think that admins should look into each instance with detail. If someone in particular is being outright harassed, or if someone is rambling about murdering all the gays in North America, then I think it could warrant a silence.
However, if someone says something like "lol fgt kys" to someone on their friends list? I don't think that warrants a ban silence (whoops) despite the words being so cruel; because obviously they don't want their friend to kill themselves.
Are you also talking about 'racism' as in nig_. I don't think that that many people actually use it in a discriminating way, yet it's still counted the same. And if you're talking about hurtful slurs, I'm pretty sure someone got banned or muted for saying honkey, but I don't think people are offended by that.
 

Meowrisa

Australian Skial God
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Are you also talking about 'racism' as in nig_. I don't think that that many people actually use it in a discriminating way, yet it's still counted the same. And if you're talking about hurtful slurs, I'm pretty sure someone got banned or muted for saying honkey, but I don't think people are offended by that.
I am talking about racism as well, yes. I consider racism, homophobia and sexism to be the same thing in different forms, really. If anyone is harassing someone for something they cant control, or if someone is saying "Kill all _____" (_____ being gays, blacks, or women) then it should be punished. However, if someone's friend comes on the server and he goes " 'sup, Nig__? " and gets a one month silence, I think that's going way overboard. That's just my 2 cents though, I've never really cared/been offended by racist words or irony.

Edit: Also notice that many of the great people who are totally accepting and helpful on this forum drop n bombs in unmod.
 

Cream Tea

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I would like to suggest that "fag", "faggot" and variations of said words are treated like that of racial slurs. I back that with Skial servers mostly being North American based and the fact that as such, it mainly is a pejorative term in this area. I would like to submit this link to support this motion. https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/fag

"fag" means cigarette in the U.K.
 

KinCryos

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"faggot" has been used as a catch-all term in 4chan for years, and "fag" has become a suffix on the same page as -tard (Narutard, Avatard, Christfag, etc.)

even South Park has pointed this out
 
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Random Gamer

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Just like Party chocobo said.
There's a difference between saying 'I'm going to torture every jew and fag because they're the scum of mankind and they deserve death' and 'retarded faggot'
This rule doesn't even need clarification, it's just common sense.
But well, if you got angry because someone called you a fag you need to calm down a bit imo.
 

mike-kirby

Positively Inhumane Poster
Just like Party chocobo said.
There's a difference between saying 'I'm going to torture every jew and fag because they're the scum of mankind and they deserve death' and 'retarded faggot'
This rule doesn't even need clarification, it's just common sense.
But well, if you got angry because someone called you a fag you need to calm down a bit imo.
Of course it's common sense to know the difference, but why doesn't this apply to racial slurs.
Or the other way around, why is there such a difference between slurs against sexuality and race that 'fag_' doesn't get counted as something offensive.
 

Maddo

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This:
Racism and other insults to gender, religion and sexual orientation. Does not include discussion of why it is against the rules.
can be simplified to this:
Racism and other discrimination towards gender or sexual orientation.
 
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Fairnessplease

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This:
Racism and other insults to gender, religion and sexual orientation. Does not include discussion of why it is against the rules.
can be simplified to this:
Racism and other discrimination towards gender or sexual orientation.

This is similar to Trump's rule, and making America great again requires "freedom of speech" does it not? This is similar, and in this case if I call someone a "faggot" I shouldn't be banned. I've been called Whore, Slut, kitchen fucker; I don't care. As long as it's not racism towards me I could care less. If someone is bothering you, mute them.

If this were a rule, then porn sprays should be banned because it's "discrimination" towards them. No moderator here would ban for that (unless their feminists).
 
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ly_dee

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This:
Racism and other insults to gender, religion and sexual orientation. Does not include discussion of why it is against the rules.
can be simplified to this:
Racism and other discrimination towards gender or sexual orientation.
This wouldn't change anything. The main "problem" is distinguishing generic insults from "serious" insults. With your new simplified rule people will still report cases of generic insults to gender and sexual orientation.
 
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