Yeah. I know there is a huge difference between lowballing and scamming. But looking at the picture (linked at my above post) will show you that Smokey was trying to scam the buds. He lied the price of the items he offered and he did the same thing to three of us.
Basically to sum all this up I foolishly tried my luck at their buds and was oblivious to the fact that they were just faking the noob disguise. Then I was stupid enough to lie about the price. I've said it enough already but I really am completely sorry.
He is on my friends list, what difference does that make? I've traded with him and he has helped me in unusual trading. I don't know anything about his scammings or what he has done and I don't care since he isn't a member here anymore.
a dishonest scheme; a fraud : [with adj. ] an insurance scam.
By most traders point of view, its completely different. When 2 people put both their items into the trade box, they are accepting the offer, therefor nullifying the
part. You are not forced to put anything in that box.
The trader that is getting "ripped" off, is happy. When he/she finds out the real value of an item its their fault, they had accepted the offer already. When you trade something with someone else, you can't reverse the offer.
In the TF2 trading community, this is not scamming, because as I said above, the person has accepted the offer. Its doesn't matter whether the person knows the value or not. Whether you want an admin that does this to people (not hinting at anything)? Whole different argument.
I've seen this same argument come up on multiple trading sites by multiple consistant traders, and almost all of them reach the same conclusion. There is always going to be that handful that think everyone should get everything at full value.
I have had multiple people trade me offering their unusual which is worth quite a bit more for mine, and they ask me if its ok, I say yes, its fine. But one guy asked me for a price check of his hat and mine, I told him the truth, that his was worth more then mine. Then he cancelled the trade which I had no problem with.
Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinions and thoughts, just throwing this out there for food for thought.
If you wan't to continue this discussion I'll be glad to follow up, just don't do it here. (PM, trade chat, unmoderated).
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