Declined Reinstitute !3 for DEGROOT+ | Chicago

[Lord Pootis]

I'm not going to make an argument for adding !3 back on all servers. However, I would like to mention that Medieval Mode already supports third person in the form of the console command tf_medieval_thirdperson. Nevertheless, the third person given for Medieval Mode places the camera at an awkward angle to the right of the player model.

I'm requesting that the !3 version of third person be reinstated on this server, so that we can play with the camera behind the player model.

 

[Perseus Dash Jackson]

It's a wallhack.

So, I'm going to go ahead and guess no.

-1

Also, the placing of the camera to the right is presumably so it CAN'T be used as a wallhack.

 

[Lord Pootis]

It's a wallhack.

So, I'm going to go ahead and guess no.

-1

Also, the placing of the camera to the right is presumably so it CAN'T be used as a wallhack.

Incorrect, it can still be used to see around walls. Try it yourself; it's a feature that already exists by default on all Degroot servers, so I don't see what your argument is. Furthermore, seeing around walls doesn't help at all on Degroot, because there are barely any walls to look around.

Edit:

 

[Perseus Dash Jackson]

Interesting.

I suggest we turn off this console command.

 

[Lord Pootis]

Interesting.

I suggest we turn off this console command.

Forgive me for asking, but do you even play Degroot to see how it would or would not impact gameplay?

 

[Perseus Dash Jackson]

Forgive me for asking, but do you even play Degroot to see how it would or would not impact gameplay?

I've played DeGroot earlier. I've also played TF2 a lot. I think being able to see around a wall, even if there's one wall in a map, is something that should not be allowed. Period. No ifs or buts about it.

 

[GhostDragon505]

I'd +1 it since it appears that it was meant to be placed in degroot, but since people were having problems with it being a borderline wall-hack and having it removed, i'm not sure it's going to pass.

 

[Steak]

thats all good and well but aside from suppressing it in the form of a plugin which may or may not even work as thats a standard setting for Medieval mode

 

[Perseus Dash Jackson]

thats all good and well but aside from suppressing it in the form of a plugin which may or may not even work as thats a standard setting for Medieval mode

The standard votemenu is also standard for every map. Sv_pure2 is also standard for Valve maps(iirc). Should we use those, then? That's no reason for not removing this. I'm all for removing any third-person mode in this FPS.

 

[Lord Pootis]

That's no reason for not removing this.

The reason would be that Valve included it as an intended feature of the game mode. Trust me when I say this: Removing tf_medieval_thirdperson from Degroot isn't going to attract many players when every other server includes it. You would be eliminating a sizable amount of players that have made use of the feature since the map's introduction in 2010.

 

[Perseus Dash Jackson]

The reason would be that Valve included it as an intended feature of the game mode.

Valve also included(or allowed, anyway) !3 in the first place.

 

[Crimmy]

I'm still going to say removing it was a bad idea. Will it be brought back? Doubt it, someone will always complain that it's unfair.

 

[Steak]

lol perseus

 

[Lord Pootis]

Valve also included(or allowed, anyway) !3 in the first place.

!3 isn't a standard feature for servers; it's enabled via plugin.

 

[Steak]

its added in through sourcemod which is the server mod he uses for TF2

 

[Perseus Dash Jackson]

Yes, and they made it not fall under sv_cheats. In any case, this isn't a Valve server. Just because Valve enabled a shoddy third person mode doesn't mean we have to.

 

[Lord Pootis]

Yes, and they made it not fall under sv_cheats. In any case, this isn't a Valve server. Just because Valve enabled a shoddy third person mode doesn't mean we have to.

It still falls under sv_cheats; Valve merely allowed for its implementation via mod without having to activate it.

 

[Steak]

i cant fight an un armed child its not in my being

 

[Perseus Dash Jackson]

It still falls under sv_cheats; Valve merely allowed for its implementation via mod without having to activate it.

"This is because the last update allows thirdperson without enabling sv_cheats which let people wallhack."

i cant fight an un armed child its not in my being

Can't argue? Resort to insults! Works all the time.

 

[Lord Pootis]

"This is because the last update allows thirdperson without enabling sv_cheats which let people wallhack."

Create a listen server and try to use third person without sv_cheats. It doesn't work.

 

[Steak]

"This is because the last update allows thirdperson without enabling sv_cheats which let people wallhack."



Can't argue? Resort to insults! Works all the time.

i didnt insult you... i could argue just choose not to