Pyro Update Weapon Balances
- Thread starter Purplemonkeyfan
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Purplemonkeyfan
Truly Feared Pyro
I know the pyro is the spy's predator, but that doesn't mean make the spy utterly useless in tf2.
Purplemonkeyfan
Truly Feared Pyro
I would need to see the YER in action before I come to a conclusion, but the YER didn't need to be changed.
SuperNewman
Face-Melting F2Per
Plus that %50 faster cloak drain.
RIP YER, because it wasn't bad enough, now they have to make it a little more potato friendly, and make it a straight downgrade in the process, gg.
All it needed to be on par with the other knives was to bring back silent decloaks (from the old set), as they were only really a problem with the pre-nerf Dead Ringer.
SuperNewman
Face-Melting F2Per
Well, when you take away all of his cloak to do it, in addition to making it so you have half as much cloak time, yeah, it does.
The only people who had a problem getting the first disguise were either potatoes or comp players, this smells like a move to make it slightly more viable in competitive play, while simultaneously nerfing it into the ground in pubs. The reduced cloak time in comp doesn't matter (less people you have to evade) as much. The problem with TF2 is that competative play was always an afterthought, and you can't balance weapons towards a mode that the vast majority of the playerbase simply does not play. In a world with 12v12 servers with no class or weapon restrictions you can't balance for 6's or Highlander play. Now, if they were to introduce class limits in "regular" 12v12 servers, it could be a little better than trash tier as you won't have to worry about playing Sentry Fortress 2 which are guarded by three pyros and a heavy.
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the Organ-harvesting concept sounds neat, but since it caps at 4 organs, part of me wants Medics to be able to throw excess organs at players to stun them on-hit for a second
of course it is. Comp play is just a way for Valve to get more money, especially since Comp Tickets allow vacced players to play
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If you're too busy to read the whole thing, I've summed up, sorted, and simplified some of the new stats.
Multi-class
Panic Attack
50% switch speed
50% more pellets / closer you are more max damage / spread is fixed unless you land shots, making spread less.
30% over all less dmg
Spy
Ambassador
First shot is no longer completely accurate. Long range capabilities nerfed.
Dead Ringer
Ammo kits and dispensers no longer refill the Spy's cloak meter
Your Eternal Reward
Can disguise with it now.
Added: Non-kill disguises require (and consume) a full cloak meter
Backstab-based disguises are still free
Reduces cloak duration by 50%
Scout
Sandman
Only slows alt-fire struck targets. No longer disarms.
Max ranged balls do 50% more damage.
Max range for balls are 20% less, but fly with original trajectory and speed.
Ball regeneration time 33% faster. (15sec to 10sec)
Bonk! Atomic Punch
Apply a slow effect to the player after phasing wears off, based on the amount of damage they absorbed
From -25% at low damage, to -65% at 200+ damage
Lasts 5 seconds
Pretty Boy’s Pocket Pistol
+15% firing speed
Up to +7 hp per hit (from +5)
-25% clip size (9 shots)
Crit-A-Cola
Each attack while active adds Marked-For-Death debuff for 5 seconds (does not stack)
Removed: Marked-For-Death when effect expires
Removed: +25% move speed bonus
Removed: +10% damage taken penalty
The Atomizer
Triple-jump is now only possible while the bat is out
Removed: Self-inflicted damage when triple-jumping
Removed: Attack speed penalty
Added: Melee attacks done while airborne mini-crit
Added: 50% deploy time penalty (to prevent quick-switch by-pass)
Reduced damage penalty vs players to -15% (from -20%)
Flying Guillotine
Removed: Crit vs stunned players (since sandman doesn’t stun anymore)
Removed: Mini-crits at long range
Added: Long range hits reduce recharge (by 1.5 seconds)
Distance considered "long range" reduced by half of the previous value when determining mini-crits
Soldier
B.A.S.E Jumper
Reduced amount of air control while deployed by 50%
You can only deploy parachute once until you touch the ground again.
Mantreads
The second least-used item in the game.
+75% push-force reduction from airblasts
+200% air control when blast jumping
Sniper
Darwin’s Danger Shield
Counter ranged burn attacks (e.g. flares), and strengthen melee fights vs Pyros
Afterburn immunity
+50% fire resist
(It actually said nothing about sniper vs sniper)
Razorback
Added: -100% overheal penalty
Added: Shield regenerates after 30 seconds
Medic
Vita-Saw
Melee strike people to get “organs.
Organ saves post death uber 15% uber per organ. Stacks 4 organs at 60%
Crusader's Crossbow
Landed shots now out-heal medigun. More health someone has, less uber is returned (like normal medigun).
Heavy
All Miniguns
Only during the first second of a fully spun up minigun do you have damage and accuracy lost.
Mini-gun no longer suffers damage or accuracy loss when you stop firing while minigun is spun.
Gloves of Running Urgently
While active, lose 10hp/s. When re-holstered, regain 10hp/s. (properties like drowning).
Constantly switching between gloves and other weapons causes higher hp loss rate.
No more mark for death. No dmg penalty.
Eviction Notice
Same principle as gloves when it comes to active health loss, but only 5hp/sec.
No more dmg penalty.
Fist of Steel
40% overheal reduction while active
40% healing rate penalty while active
Engineer
Rescue Ranger
Ranged repairs now consume metal (at a 4-to-1 health-to-metal ratio, e.g. repairing 60 damage costs 15 metal)
Multi-class
Panic Attack
50% switch speed
50% more pellets / closer you are more max damage / spread is fixed unless you land shots, making spread less.
30% over all less dmg
Spy
Ambassador
First shot is no longer completely accurate. Long range capabilities nerfed.
Dead Ringer
Ammo kits and dispensers no longer refill the Spy's cloak meter
Your Eternal Reward
Can disguise with it now.
Added: Non-kill disguises require (and consume) a full cloak meter
Backstab-based disguises are still free
Reduces cloak duration by 50%
Scout
Sandman
Only slows alt-fire struck targets. No longer disarms.
Max ranged balls do 50% more damage.
Max range for balls are 20% less, but fly with original trajectory and speed.
Ball regeneration time 33% faster. (15sec to 10sec)
Bonk! Atomic Punch
Apply a slow effect to the player after phasing wears off, based on the amount of damage they absorbed
From -25% at low damage, to -65% at 200+ damage
Lasts 5 seconds
Pretty Boy’s Pocket Pistol
+15% firing speed
Up to +7 hp per hit (from +5)
-25% clip size (9 shots)
Crit-A-Cola
Each attack while active adds Marked-For-Death debuff for 5 seconds (does not stack)
Removed: Marked-For-Death when effect expires
Removed: +25% move speed bonus
Removed: +10% damage taken penalty
The Atomizer
Triple-jump is now only possible while the bat is out
Removed: Self-inflicted damage when triple-jumping
Removed: Attack speed penalty
Added: Melee attacks done while airborne mini-crit
Added: 50% deploy time penalty (to prevent quick-switch by-pass)
Reduced damage penalty vs players to -15% (from -20%)
Flying Guillotine
Removed: Crit vs stunned players (since sandman doesn’t stun anymore)
Removed: Mini-crits at long range
Added: Long range hits reduce recharge (by 1.5 seconds)
Distance considered "long range" reduced by half of the previous value when determining mini-crits
Soldier
B.A.S.E Jumper
Reduced amount of air control while deployed by 50%
You can only deploy parachute once until you touch the ground again.
Mantreads
The second least-used item in the game.
+75% push-force reduction from airblasts
+200% air control when blast jumping
Sniper
Darwin’s Danger Shield
Counter ranged burn attacks (e.g. flares), and strengthen melee fights vs Pyros
Afterburn immunity
+50% fire resist
(It actually said nothing about sniper vs sniper)
Razorback
Added: -100% overheal penalty
Added: Shield regenerates after 30 seconds
Medic
Vita-Saw
Melee strike people to get “organs.
Organ saves post death uber 15% uber per organ. Stacks 4 organs at 60%
Crusader's Crossbow
Landed shots now out-heal medigun. More health someone has, less uber is returned (like normal medigun).
Heavy
All Miniguns
Only during the first second of a fully spun up minigun do you have damage and accuracy lost.
Mini-gun no longer suffers damage or accuracy loss when you stop firing while minigun is spun.
Gloves of Running Urgently
While active, lose 10hp/s. When re-holstered, regain 10hp/s. (properties like drowning).
Constantly switching between gloves and other weapons causes higher hp loss rate.
No more mark for death. No dmg penalty.
Eviction Notice
Same principle as gloves when it comes to active health loss, but only 5hp/sec.
No more dmg penalty.
Fist of Steel
40% overheal reduction while active
40% healing rate penalty while active
Engineer
Rescue Ranger
Ranged repairs now consume metal (at a 4-to-1 health-to-metal ratio, e.g. repairing 60 damage costs 15 metal)
Purplemonkeyfan
Truly Feared Pyro
you really think valve will change items just because the community doesn't like it? i don't think so.
Purplemonkeyfan
Truly Feared Pyro
"conversation with comp players*" "conversation with vegetables and retards who can't counter any decent weapon*"
going by your status update, you're just salty because the DR will be a little less of a damage sponge
Purplemonkeyfan
Truly Feared Pyro
no, im salty because valve is balancing weapons based on comp player's wishes. TF2 isn't meant to be a competitive game. I'm also salty because Valve's is messing with weapons that don't need to be changed. For example, the YER didn't need to be nerfed, the dead ringer didn't need to be nerfed, the sandman didn't need to be nerfed, the bonk didn't need to be nerfed.