POLL: Replace vsh_cinema with vsh_barnyard_b2?

[fibsh]

Skial Players of the World

I believe that cinema, although a well-selected and crafted map, has been majorly used to abuse the ability of having unfair and campy telefrag spots; not to mention the line that has invisible barriers and can also be used to an unfair advantage against new or experienced Hale players. The map is highly RED-sided, and Hale typically tanks tons of damage on here, with spammed rages that can't even help you escape majority of the time. The majority of people who enjoy this map for the sake of easy, unbalanced, and quite redundant rounds of rank grinding. This map has potential, but it can be very laggy for those with a lower-end PC, especially when the server has above 24 players, with a maximum of 32 total in the server.

Not only is it crammed, it is visually difficult to tell what is happening, as I've personally found a very consistent struggle of getting stuck on the very unclear objects that do not always bode well with the higher player counts, a thing that the rest of the maps deal with more sufficiently. I could be completely biased, but the map has a lot of flaws, with really only one room being the huge reason why it's so adored by the community; and of course it's the one where all the Engineers set up hoping they can get that sweet dopamine rush of getting 9000+ damage.

The map vsh_barnyard_b2, however, is the perfect candidate as a smooth replacement. It brings a nostalgic touch with a sort of ode to the beloved map, Harvest, a map that has been a classic with KOTH maps. With more movement, overall space, the aesthetics of a classic TF2 Map, perfect for October's Fall season, and the Saxton Hale-appropriate layout: I whole-heartedly believe that it's time for us all to move on from vsh_cinema for a change, even if it's just trying it out temporarily.

P.S. I typed this all out at 3AM and I am on the border of dissociation, so my writing probably seems extremely formal and overtly articulate, but I was just trying to get my point across. Please only vote and do not question my self-inflicted sleep deprivation.

Link to vsh_barnyard_b2 on Gamebanana: https://gamebanana.com/mods/73956
Link to vsh_cinema on Gamebanana: https://gamebanana.com/mods/73983

 

[Toxik]

https://www.skial.com/forums/suggestions.13/

 

[Whurr]

even if you put this in the right subform, the people who have cinema brain worms would say no, citing that cinema somehow has "excellent map design" and by excellent, we mean complete shit. the main room is where red stacks heavy+medic and hope hale dies before they can kill all the heavies, the projection room is just a backup in case hale does kill all the heavies, and past that you have to hope that red unlocks the second half of the map, only for a third of your team to magically vanish as they all fuck off to the second half of the map that just got unlocked, so now your team is lacking on damage because you've got a bunch of morons trying to hide in dark corners so they can sneak a cap in when there's only 2 left, which is the other reason people play cinema: to try and backcap on hale.

TL;DR: people only like cinema because it lets them farm wins as red, and before the rank system got changed from damage>wins, they were playing cinema to farm rank with telefrags. it's been used as nothing but a map for people to farm rank on. oh, and there's been some genuinely decent maps that have been taken out of the map pool because they've had to compete with cinema, a map that gets played roughly 12+ times a week.