(cYs) Del Piero

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This post will get updated as the discussion goes on

Problems on trade servers:
  • An increasing number of micspammers.
  • A lack of admin presence
  • Griefing / trolling (especially during spycrabs)
  • Scamming
  • On US20 people trade weapons and other low items.
I propose four. new rules to our trade server:
  • Using the Voice Chat for insults or other kind of spam should not be allowed and result in a temp. ban. On other trade servers (Rawr, TF2-Trader bans for micspam and insulting go from 3 days to 1 week for the first time doing it). The voice chat should only be used for trading, spycrabbing or other relevant topics. Chatting should only be allowed if nobody uses the voice chat otherwise and if it doesn't bother other users.
  • If two people spycrab then others are not allowed to interfere the spycrabbing. It's most annoying if a third player decides to troll the spycrabbing. Example for people interefering the spycrabbing are people killing the two spys or people pushing them around.
  • If a steamrep scammer tries to remove his [SCAMMER] tag by doing a name change he should get banned.
  • Free To Play Accounts are not allowed to join.
Other suggestions:
  • On the unusual hat trade server, US20, killing should not be allowed. People should trade there and do spycrabs. If they want to play they should join other servers. This can either be enforced by giving god-mod to all players or by making all players join the same team. If some one tries to one the other team he gets automatically changed to team Blue. If someone wants to be able to die then he can use the /buddah command. Buddah still doesn't solve some griefing problems where
  • !rep command. It can be found on many trade servers. The purpose of it is to check someones rep at www.steamrep.com Example: !rep piero --> my steamrep opens.
  • A higher admin presence on trade servers is required as well. Anya, Airakah and Roman muted/banned severall players in the last days who scammed or spammed the chat. Admins should not refuse to join trade servers if there is a problem even if they don't trade themselves. When Cinic was admin, he used to join the second after I called him. Every admin should act like this.
  • People who don't trade unusuals or other high-end (promo-)items such as Buds, Bills, Maxs, Houwars and others, should be warned and hinted to our other trade servers. Someone selling weapons or doing scrapbanking should not join an Unusual Hat Trade Server. If they don't leave other measurements should be taken (kick, temporary ban if the person rejoins).
  • No begging
  • Adding !jetpack
Summary(this will get updated as the discussion goes on)
In my eyes:
  • Most agree that we need to protect spycrabbing games.
  • Nobody has disagreed with that SteamRep scammers renaming themselves should get an instant ban
  • Putting all people in 1 team would be better than buddah. Buddah is better than nothing though. The majority agrees on that the solution could look like this: http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6239/screenshot20120115at152.png
  • The !rep command was already present. Nobody happend to know that. It is !sr
  • Nobody disagreed with that we need a higher admin presence
  • There are mixed opinions about whether the voice chat should be used for trades only or not. The majority agrees that the chat can be used for other conversations if nobody is using the voice chat for trading. Once people use it for trading other conversations need to end. Weird noises and insults should not be tollerated
  • A slight majority agreed on that on US20 only Unusuals, High-End items and promos should be traded. People who don't trade unusuals should get waned and kicked. http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/1152/screenshot20120115at205.png
  • A Plugin is needed that kicks F2P when they try to join.
  • Nobody disagrees with that begging is annoying and that beggars should get kicked.
  • Everyone voted yes to add !jetpack
  • Also, a text box suggestion for unusual traders trading on normal trade servers would be great :) It'd direct them to the unusual trading server.
 
Buddha doesn't really stop the no-killing. All people being forced on 1 team would probably be better.
 
STOP GOING OFF-TOPIC

So what's the synopsis so far? What have we come to?
In my eyes:
  • Most agree that we need to protect spycrabbing games.
  • Nobody has disagreed with that SteamRep scammers renaming themselves should get an instant ban
  • Putting all people in 1 team would be better than buddah. Buddah is better than nothing though. I am personally happy that I don't get killed all the time.
  • The !rep command was already present. Nobody happend to know that. It is !sr
  • Nobody disagreed with that we need a higher admin presence
  • There are mixed opinions about whether the voice chat should be used for trades only or not.
 
In my eyes:
  • Most agree that we need to protect spycrabbing games.
  • Nobody has disagreed with that SteamRep scammers renaming themselves should get an instant ban
  • Putting all people in 1 team would be better than buddah. Buddah is better than nothing though. I am personally happy that I don't get killed all the time.
  • The !rep command was already present. Nobody happend to know that. It is !sr
  • Nobody disagreed with that we need a higher admin presence
  • There are mixed opinions about whether the voice chat should be used for trades only or not.
Good recap so far. Let's re-open the floor for debate. I know CiNiC will be here in 5... 4... 3...
 
Just a quick note here. Anyone in buddah should have their weapons locked or damage reduced to zero. I mean if you're gonna give one team buddah and not the other. If everyone has it, then it's not an issue. (Also, a spycrabbing arena is fine if you're gonna have like crab walking races. I was just teasing earlier.) If mic spamming is a real issue then I sugggest lowering the votemute threshold from 75% to 66%.
 
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Just a quick note here. Anyone in buddah should have their weapons locked or damage reduced to zero. I mean if you're gonna give one team buddah and not the other. If everyone has it, then it's not an issue.
I am a bit lost. Have you been on US20 since buddah was introduced to the server? Both teams have buddah. If weapons do damage or not does not really matter since everyone spawns with buddah (or god mode however you want to call it). The problem is that some people just go mortal and continue killing each other.
If we force them to join Blue team then killing is not possible at all. But as I said before having buddah is better than nothing.

Also, a spycrabbing arena is fine if you're gonna have like crab walking races. I was just teasing earlier.
Who does spycrab walking races? The issues with spycrabbing are completly different. I never saw someone go spycrab walking races. Please don't ridicule the spycrab issue.

If mic spamming is a real issue then I sugggest lowering the votemute threshold from 75% to 66%.
Lowering the percentage for vote silence has good and positive aspects. On the one hand it makes it easier to mute some mic spammer but on the other hand a lower number of votes allows easier abuse. Not sure if that's the way we can fix the issue. A higher admin presence might help here as well.
 
Just a quick note here. Anyone in buddah should have their weapons locked or damage reduced to zero. I mean if you're gonna give one team buddah and not the other. If everyone has it, then it's not an issue. (Also, a spycrabbing arena is fine if you're gonna have like crab walking races. I was just teasing earlier.) If mic spamming is a real issue then I sugggest lowering the votemute threshold from 75% to 66%.
Buddha Mode makes alot more sense if you're only invincible until you cause damage, then you can take damage.
 
Buddha Mode makes alot more sense if you're only invincible until you cause damage, then you can take damage.
A lot of people just join to kill or kill more than they really try to trade. No Unusual Hat Server tolerates killing really. That's why god mod or buddah mode for all is a good thing; putting them in one team would better in my eyes.
(Again I am only talking about US20, not US2 or EU2:2020)
 
I also think that people not buying/selling unusuals on us20 (unusual trade server) should be warned or something of the same sort.
I add this to the suggestion, will change it to promos though. As people buy and sell Buds, Bills, Maxs and other high-end items on unusual servers as well.
 
A lot of people just join to kill or kill more than they really try to trade. No Unusual Hat Server tolerates killing really. That's why god mod or buddah mode for all is a good thing; putting them in one team would better in my eyes.
(Again I am only talking about US20, not US2 or EU2:2020)
If anyone goes to the server specifically to trade items, I'm pretty sure they'd make it known that they are selling them, the killing merely serves as something to do until someone wants something you're selling. For alot of unusuals it takes a long time to find someone willing to buy a specific unusual.
 
I have a GREAT idea! MAKE MORE TRADE SERVERS!! The one that we have Is full 24/7 By scammers, Spawn killers, Idiots That Afk, And F2Idiots THAT SELL NORMAL WEPS FOR A REC!!!
 
If anyone goes to the server specifically to trade items, I'm pretty sure they'd make it known that they are selling them, the killing merely serves as something to do until someone wants something you're selling. For alot of unusuals it takes a long time to find someone willing to buy a specific unusual.
Then explain me why Rawr, TF2-Trader, Taco and any other major Unusual Hat Trade server disables killing? If you try to kill someone you invest less time in trading. The 3 trade servers I mentioned are always full with people selling unusuals. I think we can learn from that. That's why I suggested it.
 
I have a GREAT idea! MAKE MORE TRADE SERVERS!! The one that we have Is full 24/7 By scammers, Spawn killers, Idiots That Afk, And F2Idiots THAT SELL NORMAL WEPS FOR A REC!!!
eu2 (tower) isn't full very often, but us2 is (portal).
 
Then explain me why Rawr, TF2-Trader, Taco and any other major Unusual Hat Trade server disables killing? If you try to kill someone you invest less time in trading. The 3 trade servers I mentioned are always full with people selling unusuals. I think we can learn from that. That's why I suggested it.
I'm just throwing my two cents in, but getting rid of the killing is probably what keeps normal people out anyway.
 
eu2 (tower) isn't full very often, but us2 is (portal).
EU2 is full during EU2 time. US2 is full because all people is play. I think we need to make a new thread in suggestions though for these servers. This is thread is dedicated to US20 mostly.

I have a GREAT idea! MAKE MORE TRADE SERVERS!! The one that we have Is full 24/7 By scammers, Spawn killers, Idiots That Afk, And F2Idiots THAT SELL NORMAL WEPS FOR A REC!!!
If you think we need more trade servers then I recommend that you make a new thread in suggestions.