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This is absolutely ridiculous, there is no need to check if someone is a scammer before you do a normal -non paypal or risky trade. And you have all the right to +rep him if the trade went well on that part. Xel did what seemed right back then and it seemed to be a little mistake. A friendly post later, everything got sorted and he is unbanned. Let's not make this a skial-drama.
 
What drama? Just an open debate on how much involvement the community can have in the Valve trade system. I'm of the belief that if the reporting system is used properly Valve can manage the scamming issues and provide support granted items for those really scammed. Unless a backpack is hijacked the day to day is up to the buyer and seller. I also agree that community support can be a good thing as well but my issue lies with reach and opinion getting in the way.
 
That moment when people confuse a discussion with internet drama

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Well jackson would tell you not to confuse steamrep with skial tags. But as any normal person would see the two are not exclusive. You probably got piped over there for what happened here.

Enjoy your tags mate. They did you a solid.
 
Well jackson would tell you not to confuse steamrep with skial tags. But as any normal person would see the two are not exclusive. You probably got piped over there for what happened here.

Enjoy your tags mate. They did you a solid.
We don't even directly add our tags. It is done by an SR admin so there was another person who was OK with putting the tag up.
 
to Percy, fuck off that disagree makes you look like a idiot

Because I just saw this: I find it pretty obvious what he means. He doesn't usually rep people, even though he does a lot of trades. But when he DOES rep someone, he has traded with them.

He doesn't always rep people. But when he does, he trades with them.
 
Because I just saw this: I find it pretty obvious what he means. He doesn't usually rep people, even though he does a lot of trades. But when he DOES rep someone, he has traded with them.

He doesn't always rep people. But when he does, he trades with them.
He says he doesn't rep much, even though he does a lot of trades and reps people who he trades with. It didn't make sense the way he wrote it
 
We don't even directly add our tags. It is done by an SR admin so there was another person who was OK with putting the tag up.
Then why is your mouth piece jackson saying both sites run independently of each other when they don't? Isn't nega a SR admin or member?
 
Then why is your mouth piece jackson saying both sites run independently of each other when they don't? Isn't nega a SR admin or member?

I said steamrep is a privately run organisation, which has links to skial among other forums, which is also a privately run organisation. However, it is true that steamrep passes on a lot of information to Valve. Valve only, however, tradebans extreme examples like hacking.
 
Then why is your mouth piece jackson saying both sites run independently of each other when they don't? Isn't nega a SR admin or member?
Just a member, but since we're part of the "participating" communities, all Skial admins are marked as admins on SR, but we don't have direct access to any of their systems (at least any more so than any average person does). We run independently.

SR also doesn't have any official channels with Valve. I believe Helen has said they do pass along some information, but there's no official link between SR and Valve either.
 
Thanks for clearing my rep, but I can stop myself from thinking that Skial has been overreacting here, I traded in April with this guy, like 5 month ago, and I got marked on steamrep, just like that, without warning, and just because I left a rep comment as the "not scammer at this time" requested... So yes, it's a bit excessive here I thnk, and as a comment above said, "guilty until proven innocent"... It's not a proper way to do thing Skial... You could at least ask me before, instead of marking me as scammer, no questions asked... But at least you've got a good and reactive admin...
 
myself from thinking that Skial has been overreacting here, I traded in April with this guy, like 5 month ago, and I got marked on steamrep, just like that, without warning, and just because I left a rep comment as the "not scammer at this time" requested...

It is being discussed. I apologize for the inconvenience and quick judgement.

However, we have some very good trade admins on skial. So it was shocking to see a few people being marked who actually didn't scam. Sorry this happened to you, hopefully we will have this tagging thing in order very soon.
 
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I just want to know, why in my case that was very similar to DrPerchu, I finished with a Caution Tag saying I gave Fake Rep and he with no Tag at all. I sent proof of the trade like him as well. And I didnt knew the guy was impersonating someone else. Xel didnt answered my msg asking about that Caution Tag now I carry because of this same misunderstanding.
 
Wtf does that mean? This system works with leaving rep. If your trade is legit why should you have to prove its legit if you left good rep for the trader? Be wary? How about no one leaves rep unless they speak to you first.

This whole rep deal is out of hand. Valve needs to be part of this IMO. The guy above trades on his end above board and gets a scammer tag because you have a hard on for the other guy?
This is another discussion for another thread, one which I'll gladly entertain. But let's keep the ban/appeal threads clean of unnecessary drama. If you want to open a thread in Trade Chat, please do.
For future reference, I'd like to see an attempt made to communicate with the person accused in this case. It wouldn't have been marked in the first place if he had be asked beforehand for the screenshot. It should be innocent until proven guilty, especially in a rep case like this.
100% of the people you ask would say "No, I did not leave fake rep". I guarantee you that.
So you're saying if I want to trade someone a scrap for a wep, I need to look them up on Steamrep to make sure they won't somehow scam me off my scrap right? So know I have to check everyone I trade, even though the trade is safe right?
I'd say this is typically only going to be reserved for people making high-value trades. Scrap isn't going to really help anybody make any real profits. However, when you're making legitimate trades of buds/unusuals with known scammers, you're allowing them to continue making a profit on their ill-gotten goods (even if yours are legitimate), and encouraging these people to continue making trades, and continue scamming. It damages the trading communities severely when people have incentive to continue making high-value trades and ripping people off. See Del Piero for an excellent example of how this works.
What's this 'we' stuff. If I choose to deal with a scammer that's on me. If there is enough blowback on a player Valve will put a trade ban in place. I don't need your advice or overview on a trade I would like to make.
The fact of the matter is that "we" are playing by a certain set of rules, and following a certain standard. SR does a pretty good job keeping servers and forums free of scammers with their meticulously planned rules and requirements. It's not a bad die to cast our own policies in.
I just want to know, why in my case that was very similar to DrPerchu, I finished with a Caution Tag saying I gave Fake Rep and he with no Tag at all. I sent proof of the trade like him as well. And I didnt knew the guy was impersonating someone else. Xel didnt answered my msg asking about that Caution Tag now I carry because of this same misunderstanding.
Yours is going to stay as CAUTION for a little bit because it was more recent. Perchu's was from several months back, and doesn't necessarily matter at this point.

Requesting a lock on this thread for now, since OP's appeal has been discussed and the case is now closed. If anybody wants to continue this discussion, please open a new thread in Trade Chat and we can discuss the matter further. I mean this sincerely, because if people think that my admittedly zealous tagging lately is out of line, let's all get together and agree on a standard to be following.
 
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