Approved Fixing 24/7 Turbine Population Issue To Keep Server Healthy And Active

[Grigs]

Making this thread in hopes to remove the autoscramble feature on 24/7 Turbine Server as it kills the server immediatly.
Most of the regulars that play on that server can say that the population issue is because of the autoscramble after you cap feature,
if that was to be removed so that the gameplay is constant fun like in every 24/7 2fort map would make a drastic change to the server health.
Obviously the issue arises when theres a team constantly stomping/spawn camping the other. We can fix the votescramble feature and with skials
ratios it will more than likely pass. This post is made in hopes that we can have 24/7 Turbine populated at all times so many players can enjoy it at all hours of the day.

Pls thumbs up and comment<3

 

[gala]

People leave at the end of the round out of relief more than getting autobalanced.

This still seems to affect the total playercount and the longetivity of the server which makes the population more volatile. Having less fluctuating playercount benefits everyone. Without mincing words, Turbine is a really shit map in terms of balance. So trying to push objective oriented gameplay is not suited for the server in my opinion

 

[thlaspi]

Ah yea. Tbh I'm still not the biggest fan of the 64 player turbine experience. But it's the only option rn for me. As even bad turbine is good turbine, I'll have to endure.

But rly, only so much beating my masochistic ass can take. There are moments when I question my resolve to fight for the vents, when there is absolutely nothing else to do than die. It's just overwhelming. No amount of gitting gud will suffice. Leaving would be the most reasonable option.

I can see how no scramble would be convenient for players high on season stats list. Those are very good players anyway, but indeed they benefit from these circumstances. It's just a slaughter, and they make sure they rarely are on the receiving end.

I could change teams, but I don't really enjoy the other side more. It's a tiny, crowded map. Sure feels full when it is. 2fort at 64 is not the same.

My preferred turbine is one that has less players or somewhat balanced teams. As the latter is kinda unattainable, I'll try to play when the server is starting to fill up or "die".

 

[narcc]

I can see how no scramble would be convenient for players high on season stats list. Those are very good players anyway, but indeed they benefit from these circumstances. It's just a slaughter, and they make sure they rarely are on the receiving end.

Emphasis on that part. Just observing from both sides, you can tell when the defense side has had enough of being blocked in for 2 hours, the game ends people leave and people are constantly going spectator to avoid the autobalance (I don't blame them, it gets boring when you have no space to move around on the map). I feel like that behavior drives more people away because you have one coordinated side and one that's trying not to get steamrolled. Many people do it.

 

[Jonny]

Absolute +1

Auto-scramble in Turbine is like having clocks in a casino:
People are looking for a reason to stop screwing themselves over, and you're GIVING IT TO THEM

 

[NightWolf]

I don't come to Turbine very often. Only a few evenings if I'm asked.
However, after reading all the reviews, I share this point of view and think about the players.
So I'd give the same argument as Gala. A +1, then.

 

[Villag3]

in hopes that we can have 24/7 Turbine populated at all times so many players can enjoy it at all hours of the day.

Maybe if pussies like you actually capped the intel instead of holding on to it for hours, people would stop leaving the server in droves. That is not "enjoyable for many players" at all.

Change comes from within, bud, and you are killing the server you claim to care about.

 

[Grigs]

Maybe if pussies like you actually capped the intel instead of holding on to it for hours, people would stop leaving the server in droves. That is not "enjoyable for many players" at all.

Change comes from within, bud, and you are killing the server you claim to care about.

Idk if you're new or can't read. Capping the intel kills the server and ends the round then people leave. There should be no cap limit or autoscramble should be enabled during the game. Because theirs robots like you that bonk scout into intel with 300+ deaths to try and cap, if thats fun for you be my guest but servers like turbine and 2fort are basically team deathmatch servers hence why they are a 24/7 Map with no rotation. Would you rather play consistently or just cap the intel 3 times and kill the server in 2 hours.

 

[NightWolf]

I'm back after a while with these "changes."
Nobody's perfect, so I'm going to acknowledge things publicly.
The fun is now only for a portion of the players.
These changes consist of a constant spam of caps and some pretty aggressive spawn camping. If it happened occasionally, I wouldn't have said anything, but it's way too much.
Honestly, it even bored me, and I can't even blame the opposing players.
Everyone finds their own enjoyment somewhere, but ultimately, the old system was fairer and more just, different from 2fort. And I think I'm not the only one who feels that way.
Even though I enjoy a good fight like everyone else, I also appreciate fairness in both directions (even if I'm often a bit lazy for real-life reasons). That's just not the case there anymore.
So, as an adult, I acknowledge this. I'll leave it to others to speak if they wish. Have a good day.

 

[foxy tacoj]

So this change appears to have killed turbine. The statistics below show a 2/3rds reduction in player count after this change. On turbine, You have a couple of collections of players that like to team stack, and most of them are in this thread supporting this change because they don't want to be auto scrambled off the stack. The stack has reportedly been holding the intel and spamming cap krits into respawn. This is obvious no fun for anyone else, so they aren't playing anymore.

A couple of you may know that I don't play turbine, I only play 2fort. What has happened is that the stacks have moved over there, and our player counts are starting to get lower too. Note that the reductions do not match in timeline. People stopped playing on turbine because of the stack, the stack moves over to 2fort, and theres now a reduction in 2fort players.

Multiple turbine players told me this change is the reason they stopped playing there.
So i think y'all should revert this change. I think that the admins that spoke up for this change also should update their priors. I don't think the change was suggested in good faith. The stacking players want less scrambles to stomp more.

https://stats.skial.com/#server/123

https://stats.skial.com/#server/16

 

[thlaspi]

Oh, the fabled wolf pack/stack.

I'd have a lot to say about their conduct. Not only were they aggressively stacking, they also were toxic as hell.
They preferred their own small company and didn't give a shit about other players.

They had the server by the balls and still whined about everything.

"The pack stays together"

I said earlier that even bad turbine is good turbine.
I was wrong.
There are other servers, with more positive communities.
No reason to stay somewhere where you feel disrespected & dismissed every fucking day.

Enjoy this clip from the end of December.
Riveting.

 

[Winnie]

Enjoy this clip from the end of December.
Riveting.

That footage itself... Is it not substantial enough to report for griefing? Players on Orange Box would get kicked all the time for spawn killing.

 

[NightWolf]

Oh, the fabled wolf pack/stack.

I'd have a lot to say about their conduct. Not only were they aggressively stacking, they also were toxic as hell.
They preferred their own small company and didn't give a shit about other players.

They had the server by the balls and still whined about everything.

"The pack stays together"

I said earlier that even bad turbine is good turbine.
I was wrong.
There are other servers, with more positive communities.
No reason to stay somewhere where you feel disrespected & dismissed every fucking day.

Enjoy this clip from the end of December.
Riveting.

Yes, something like that.

I won't lie, I participated when the "nest" was there because no one else was at the mid, so I came afterward (my preferred spot was usually the vents side).

I admit it. But I didn't think at the time that it would last so long, every single day. So I stopped coming partly for that reason, regretting it somewhat, because it felt excessive.
Everyone has their own pleasure, as I said, but I made my choice, which seems fairer to me now.

 

[foxy tacoj]

That footage itself... Is it not substantial enough to report for griefing? Players on Orange Box would get kicked all the time for spawn killing.

what I think is so disgusting about this, is that top players lobbied for this change to pad their stats and that a server has died for it. This was the intention. It is very transparent. The effects of this change were completely foreseeable. The same players in this thread vote down scrambles and they do not pass because of it. The same players in this thread are the ones in the video.


The population issue on turbine is, and always has been, that the commenters on this thread all play on the same team and stomp the shit out of everyone else. If you want to fix the population issue, reverse this change and lower the scramble threshold.

Bans are warranted for griefing, reputational damage to skial IMO.

 

[thlaspi]

Yes, something like that.

I won't lie, I participated when the "nest" was there because no one else was at the mid, so I came afterward (my preferred spot was usually the vents side).

I admit it. But I didn't think at the time that it would last so long, every single day. So I stopped coming partly for that reason, regretting it somewhat, because it felt excessive.
Everyone has their own pleasure, as I said, but I made my choice, which seems fairer to me now.

You participated, what a surprise.
Why would anyone be at the mid when the "fight" is at spawn? Like always??
Oh yeah, anyone playing there knows what your preferred spot was.
Usually the lines were tiny bit further.
But only a bit. Mid was of no concern.

Indeed, I hoped it would end someday. That you would grow to care even a little.
But nah. It was only about your pleasure. Maybe you got enough of that.
Too bad if you got bored :c

I had nothing against you as players. I liked some of you, those that I could get to know a little.
But you were not interested in the larger community in the least.
You were there only to farm, not mingle with your inferior prey.

Your choice seems fairer to you now?
After my take?
Is that what you are saying here?

The population issue on turbine is, and always has been, that the commenters on this thread all play on the same team and stomp the shit out of everyone else. If you want to fix the population issue, reverse this change and lower the scramble threshold.

That's a paradox. You name a problem, but that is not the solution to it.

We had this problem before the scramble change.

These guys won't respect any scramble.
The stack will be rebuilt every time.
There is no escape from this.
But the one I took
...

 

[NightWolf]

You participated, what a surprise.
Why would anyone be at the mid when the "fight" is at spawn? Like always??
Oh yeah, anyone playing there knows what your preferred spot was.
Usually the lines were tiny bit further.
But only a bit. Mid was of no concern.

Indeed, I hoped it would end someday. That you would grow to care even a little.
But nah. It was only about your pleasure. Maybe you got enough of that.
Too bad if you got bored :c

I had nothing against you as players. I liked some of you, those that I could get to know a little.
But you were not interested in the larger community in the least.
You were there only to farm, not mingle with your inferior prey.

Your choice seems fairer to you now?
After my take?
Is that what you are saying here?



That's a paradox. You name a problem, but that is not the solution to it.

We had this problem before the scramble change.

These guys won't respect any scramble.
The stack will be rebuilt every time.
There is no escape from this.
But the one I took
...

Only because nobody was in mid. And personally, it's not my goal to spawncamp when I play. There could have never been any spawncamping, and that would have been perfectly fine with me.

I come, I fight, and I leave, period. Regardless of the location.
Judge me if you want, but at least I have the honesty to acknowledge the facts and make decisions I believe are fairer.

Furthermore, yes, I was in the vents. I participated in mid when necessary because, excuse me, I was often with friends who weren't involved. So I mostly stayed with my close friends more than anything else.

And as far as I know, I never directly encouraged spawncamping.

So yes, it's fairer. And after seeing this so often, I didn't want to continue. I stopped going. And that's for the best.

So, even though I can understand your annoyance, please refocus on the main topic and consult with those who are more concerned than myself, thank you.

PS: From what you're saying, I'm the boss of this. Not at all. And if I didn't care about the community, I wouldn't have left, nor would I have commented here with my own opinion, an initiative I took on my own to try and discuss it. Cheers.

 

[Bottiger]

So why are votescrambles not passing? If 40% is not low enough then what should it be?

I think imbalanced steams should be solved with votescramble because the dominating team is not guaranteed to be capping the flag.

If people are abusing crit on cap then maybe that could be disabled.

 

[thlaspi]

Only because nobody was in mid. And personally, it's not my goal to spawncamp when I play. There could have never been any spawncamping, and that would have been perfectly fine with me.

I come, I fight, and I leave, period. Regardless of the location.
Judge me if you want, but at least I have the honesty to acknowledge the facts and make decisions I believe are fairer.

Furthermore, yes, I was in the vents. I participated in mid when necessary because, excuse me, I was often with friends who weren't involved. So I mostly stayed with my close friends more than anything else.

And as far as I know, I never directly encouraged spawncamping.

So yes, it's fairer. And after seeing this so often, I didn't want to continue. I stopped going. And that's for the best.

So, even though I can understand your annoyance, please refocus on the main topic and consult with those who are more concerned than myself, thank you.

Nobody was in mid, yeah. Because there was, and wouldn't be, nobody to engage there.

I never said I was only annoyed with you.
Indeed, spawncamping would have happened without you.

But you greatly added to it.
I'm sure you never spoke against it.
You were #1 on the stats at the time. You have influence.
If someone could have changed it, it was you.
I didn't name it the wolf pack.

But yeah, you do what you want.
It's not your responsibility to watch over turbine.

You said earlier on this thread that you come to turbine only rarely. Which had been true.
When you noticed what weakness turbine currently had, you came there to spam your crits from the vents every day.
Certainly you were not the only one doing that.

You returning to this thread is something tho. I never thought you would acknowledge any of this.
You gave an opening for some discussion ig, it's nice.
So, thank you for speaking out.

So why are votescrambles not passing? If 40% is not low enough then what should it be?

I think imbalanced steams should be solved with votescramble because the dominating team is not guaranteed to be capping the flag.

If people are abusing crit on cap then maybe that could be disabled.

When we had autoscramble and games that would end, these ppl would held the intel hostage. They didn't want any caps then, as it would "kill the server" ie. initiate an inconvenient scramble.

After the change they capped every chance they got. Because why wouldn't they, crits are life.

There were votecrambles, but stackbros do not care about it. They only mock ppl trying to make the game a bit more playable.

I don't believe there is any mechanic that would fix this.

 

[NightWolf]

So why are votescrambles not passing? If 40% is not low enough then what should it be?

I think imbalanced steams should be solved with votescramble because the dominating team is not guaranteed to be capping the flag.

If people are abusing crit on cap then maybe that could be disabled.

From my personal perspective, I saw things more like this:

- votescramble 50%/55 max (or less, if you esteem in your idea its better, i try to see the fifty/fifty in my idea, maybe i didnt understand something)

- The idea of disabling is good, but perhaps it would be wiser to set a cap limit, like 4, for example.

3 is too low. 4 seems about right.

The suitcase isn't kept forever. So this seems pretty good to me. Or just as i said in very first, come back on the old settings.

This is just a suggestion, and I am open to different opinions.

Nobody was in mid, yeah. Because there was, and wouldn't be, nobody to engage there.

I never said I was only annoyed with you.
Indeed, spawncamping would have happened without you.

But you greatly added to it.
I'm sure you never spoke against it.
You were #1 on the stats at the time. You have influence.
If someone could have changed it, it was you.
I didn't name it the wolf pack.

But yeah, you do what you want.
It's not your responsibility to watch over turbine.

You said earlier on this thread that you come to turbine only rarely. Which had been true.
When you noticed what weakness turbine currently had, you came there to spam your crits from the vents every day.
Certainly you were not the only one doing that.

You returning to this thread is something tho. I never thought you would acknowledge any of this.
You gave an opening for some discussion ig, it's nice.
So, thank you for speaking out.



When we had autoscramble and games that would end, these ppl would held the intel hostage. They didn't want any caps then, as it would "kill the server" ie. initiate an inconvenient scramble.

After the change they capped every chance they got. Because why wouldn't they, crits are life.

There were votecrambles, but stackbros do not care about it. They only mock ppl trying to make the game a bit more playable.

I don't believe there is any mechanic that would fix this.

As I said, nobody's perfect. And contrary to what you think, I wanted to backtrack even before, by talking to the person involved about it, who ultimately stopped paying attention to it.

I was rank 1, that's true. However, I couldn't control a group, and I played like most people without looking for trouble. Did you often see me even looking for problems in chat? Not really, I was just having fun, nothing more. Did you ever see me go to the spawn point to enable this? Not that I know of. I simply took advantage like others, it's true, but I'm mature enough to understand things. So what I'm doing here is, in my opinion, normal and honest. Thank you for acknowledging this at the end of your post, though.

 

[Bottiger]

There were votecrambles, but stackbros do not care about it.

It shouldn't matter if they care, the vote threshold is only 40% because we already knew the winning team wouldn't vote yes a long time ago.

 

[thlaspi]

It shouldn't matter if they care, the vote threshold is only 40% because we already knew the winning team wouldn't vote yes a long time ago.

No matter what the threshold is.
The end result is the same every time.
The teams do not scramble even if a scramble occurs.
There'll be the same stack accompanied with some cry and whine.

You should remove all kinds of scrambles from turbine.
They only frustrate and further incite the players.