Community owner Interlude ripping us off and then forging evidence to cover it up

Discussion in 'Team Fortress 2' started by Bottiger, Feb 4, 2019.

  1. Bottiger

    Bottiger Administrator

    Steam:

    Update: he actually contacted archive.org to delete the evidence. Take a look at the backup links if not working.

    I haven't made a thread on communities copying us as that's expected when you are at the top. But the amount of copying is so absurd, and today I found proof the owner is forging evidence to hide it. I decided to document it for the amusement of people here and to show people that we are not the ones doing the ripping off since the copying is so blatant.

    We recently started a Zombie Escape server. And 2 days after we announce it, they make a nearly identical post on their forums with the same picture and basically the same words paraphrased.

    https://www.skial.com/threads/zombie-escape-beta.82410/
    https://web.archive.org/web/20190205005406/https://uber.tf/threads/zombie-escape-beta.122/
    Backup since he got the archive.org link deleted: https://i.imgur.com/T29RGwV.png
    http://archive.is/GIJRN

    Now wait a second you say, their thread shows January 14th, and ours says January 27. But I remembered it didn't say that before.

    Fortunately in the forum that he uses, like most forums, the threads are numbered sequentially. So if the last thread is 3 and you make a new one, the next one is 4. So the date of thread 4 can't be less than the date of thread 3.

    Since their announcement thread is numbered 122, we can look at the date of thread 121. Then we know that thread 122 couldn't have been made before 121.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20190205005758/https://uber.tf/threads/whats-the-deal-banana-peel.121/

    Backup since he got the archive.org link deleted: https://i.imgur.com/T29RGwV.png http://archive.is/qL5C2

    What do you know? It is dated January 29th. This means that the owner, Interlude, is trying to hide his blatant copying by forging the date on his thread. The date should have been equal to or older than January 29th, but instead he forged it to January 14th.

    You can also use the same trick on the post number to show that he forged the times on the first 4 posts in the thread. But I am not able to get archive.org to archive post links, so he could have corrected that mistake by the time you see this.

    And if you don't believe any of this you can look at their gameme.

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    Now I'm not saying we have a copyright on ZE, but the fact that they decide to release a ZE server 2 days after we do when there have already been ZE servers for over a year... AND tries to cover it up by editing the dates on his forum posts.

    He also claims to have "mappers" which is actually 1 slavic hacker named "leviathan00". They do not have any original maps of their own. They are just ripping our protected maps which takes them days to recreate, when they could have actually hired a real mapper or try porting maps from Counter-Strike.

    And to top it off, he also copied my Steam profile.

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    Seriously??? He couldn't even come up with his own Steam profile description?
     
    Last edited: Feb 5, 2019
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  2. ArayhMD

    ArayhMD TF2 Admin Contributor

    Steam:

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  3. Kaleido

    Kaleido Spectacularly Lethal Soldier Contributor

    Imitation is the highest form of flattery. Maybe he thinks you're a cutie pie?
     
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  4. Bottiger

    Bottiger Administrator

    Steam:

    This is worse than just copying though.
    1. He lies about not copying us.
    2. He edited the dates on his forums to make it look like we are copying them, due to the fact that the thread looks almost exactly the same as ours and they only use maps that we have. To anyone that hasn't seen this thread, he could tell them that we are copying them and people would believe them.
    3. They are spending a large amount of effort ripping our protected maps when our server barely has anyone in it and there's already a ZE server that has been out for a year that has people on it 24/7.
     
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  5. White Moose

    White Moose Totally Ordinary Human

    Steam:

    Are you going to take any legal action? If anything you could copyright the maps made for skial.
     
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  6. Renegade

    Renegade Gaben's Own Aimbot Contributor

    Steam:

    Unless it becomes an actual issue, let him do what he wants. It's obvious to anyone that he's just trying to copy Skial. You could always do a DMCA strike against him since he's taking Skial maps and modifying them to make it look like they belong to him. Other than that, let him do it. Skial is one of the biggest, if not THE biggest, TF2 communities out there right now. There's no need to spend time and effort on someone who just wants to copy Skial. Besides, he's putting in a ton of effort to try and be like Skial. I say waste no effort on him.
     
  7. Bottiger

    Bottiger Administrator

    Steam:

    I would say it is an issue. I've seen their server start with more players early in the day.

    Also it might be obvious to you since you played when community servers were at their peak.

    But since casual has been out for so long, many new players don't even know who we are and don't realize that we were the largest TF2 community by large margin for almost a decade. They consider other communities which admittedly did a better job with custom game modes to be equals.
     
  8. Renegade

    Renegade Gaben's Own Aimbot Contributor

    Steam:

    Then DMCA him since he's taking Skial maps and making it their own. It would be very easy to prove in this case.
     
  9. Sakiko

    Sakiko Moderator Contributor

    Steam:

    I am sure the guy don't understand the legal position he has placed him self in. If and when we send in the legal team
     
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  10. Kaleido

    Kaleido Spectacularly Lethal Soldier Contributor

    You as the owner of this community, and anyone who has created maps for this community can DMCA, like whatshisface said. That's your best plan of attack at the moment. You're on the right path in recording how he modifies things, just keep shit documented as you learn more about this dude and his antics of emulating your work. He's only going to fuck himself over.
     
  11. True Darkian

    True Darkian Spectacularly Lethal Soldier

    Steam:

    What's next?
    Copying our admins and regulars like Luke, Cream Tea, Upper,...?
     
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  12. Trash.ca

    Trash.ca Gore-Spattered Heavy

    Steam:

    Hopefully he copies this post to his forums as well.
     
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  13. Silver Ag

    Silver Ag Australian Skial God Contributor

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    san7890 Gaben's Own Aimbot Contributor

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    Silver Ag Australian Skial God Contributor

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    Metroidz Australian Skial God

    Steam:

    You dun fell for it.
     
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    Defibyoulater Gaben's Own Aimbot Contributor

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  19. Bottiger

    Bottiger Administrator

    Steam:

    Incredible, he actually contacted archive.org to delete the evidence.

    Thankfully I saved proof.

    Their zombie escape thread with forged dates: https://i.imgur.com/T29RGwV.png

    The previous thread showing their zombie escape thread must have been made after Jaunary 29th: https://i.imgur.com/Yn8JhgM.png

    Here's where I saved them, but I saved the screenshots in case he's able to get them taken down like archive.org

    http://archive.fo/uber.tf
     
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  20. Doom4life

    Doom4life Gore-Spattered Heavy

    It wouldn't surprise me if they started banning Skial members/players in retaliation.

    I mean sure you can appeal but it is their server at the end of the day....
     
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