Ban Appeal

[PsychoRealm]

I would argue that anything that distracts traders from trading is greifing the trade server.

You can argue whatever you want, up to the statement that human beings came to the Earth from fucking Venus.
Show me the rule which outlines players' behavior on Trade server and which states that spraying homosexual sprays is prohibited.

 

[DeadHerald]

Honestly, I would be in favor of no porn sprays. I have all sprays disabled on tf2 now, simply because I'm sick of people spraying porn on the walls and then giving me an attitude because I don't want porn in my gaming.

There's a time and a place, yo.

 

[Staying_Classy]

Faron asked me if this seemed punishable, and I told him if it was causing a large disruption to the server, it's a problem, and left it to his own discretion.
So I guess it's sort of my fault.

 

[Giildy]

except he wasn't refusing to remove it, he just wasn't paying attention and didn't see faron's warning. now that he has heeded the warning i wouldn't be against keeping the ban in place considering he's now aware that despite the sexuality of the spray (which really isn't the reason for his ban, it's just a detail which some people just find unappealing to look at), and would probably pay better attention to what's going on in case someone is talking to him regarding his spray or something.

i would personally just remove the ban out of principle, he didn't do anything that was explicitly against the rules; he just missed a warning about a rule that was purposely kept vague because offensiveness is a very broad spectrum, i know for a fact a lot of people would find a dick and a vagina to be equal in terms of 'shock value'.

then again, there's no rule about offending people, i don't see how 'offensive sprays' could be a bannable offense, all the whilst offending people in graphic detail over the mic or in chat is a-okay, the only rule that pertains to sprays is "Sprays that are illegal as per the laws in the country where the server is located." homosexuality is illegal in some countries, but not in the civilized world (where i'm guessing the server is located). disruptive is also very cryptic, so much stuff can be argued as disruptive.

lol, look at me being all argumentative for no god damn reason.
Paragraph 1. I would imagine the length of the ban serves as the metric for how long he's supposed to be effected by his inability to pay attention to admins.
Paragraph 2. i don't like the idea of removing any bans on principle. it sets a standard for being soft on people that play nice when they get caught.
Paragraph 3. People advertise with sprays sometimes. If you block sprays You lose that aspect of trading. You can't block one person's spray. You can block chat and voice from one person. A good part of the server stopping and flipping a bitch takes away from the function of the server. You could also argue that one pyro flaming just one sniper's scope isn't very disruptive.

 

[Giildy]

You can argue whatever you want, up to the statement that human beings came to the Earth from fucking Venus.
Show me the rule which outlines players' behavior on Trade server and which states that spraying homosexual sprays is prohibited.

Harming your team for an extended period of time. (e.g., blocking sniper views, teleporter traps, refusing to help advance your teams position). The lobby servers are subject to stricter interpretation of this rule.

The greifing rule. In this case team is that of people wishing to trade. Nature of the spray is not relevant. Reaction to the spray is. If you would like to argue that infact the person banned was not griefing, but instead those players that took offense were greifing then you have more force behind your words, and i could get behind that.

 

[PsychoRealm]

Harming your team

Team is a keyword here. Couple of homophobic dudes are not a team. Unfortunately.
Furthermore, how could spray harm your team? Are you serious?

e.g., blocking sniper views, teleporter traps, refusing to help advance your teams position

I still don't see "posting homosexual sprays" in this statement.

 

[Isil]

Team is a keyword here. Couple of homophobic dudes are not a team. Unfortunately.
Furthermore, how could spray harm your team? Are you serious?

I still don't see "posting homosexual sprays" in this statement.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/e.g.

Abbreviation of Latin exemplī grātiā (“for example”). Gratiā here is in the ablative case which is translated into the prepositional phrase "for the sake". Exempli is a genitive case noun meaning "of example". Therefore, the full phrase is "for the sake of example".[1] Previously abbreviated to ex. gr.

TO SUMMARIZE, CLASS:

"for example" =/= "these things and these things only"

 

[Giildy]

Team is a keyword here. Couple of homophobic dudes are not a team. Unfortunately.
Furthermore, how could spray harm your team? Are you serious?

I still don't see "posting homosexual sprays" in this statement.

What isil said. Also, the argument we SHOULD be having is who was the more disruptive party? If it's just a 'couple of homophobic douchbags' they should be punished instead. If it was the sprayer that was griefing then what was done was appropriate. Since we have no demo of his behaviors and his ban is so short I would think that Faron's judgement should be trusted.

 

[GovCon]

Nature of the spray is not relevant. Reaction to the spray is.

I disagree and i think you do too =p
If the spray was of a mixed race couple kissing and there were 17 white power nutjobs on the server who complained about it, should the reaction be cause for a ban? - course not.
In the same way as a reaction based on homophobia shouldnt be cause for a ban :/ ..my spray isn't even explicitly gay, it's not even a real dude.. the reaction by those few players who complained just isn't rational =/

 

[PsychoRealm]

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/e.g.

 

[ProbeX]

I disagree and i think you do too =p
If the spray was of a mixed race couple kissing and there were 17 white power nutjobs on the server who complained about it, should the reaction be cause for a ban? - course not.
In the same way as a reaction based on homophobia shouldnt be cause for a ban :/ ..my spray isn't even explicitly gay, it's not even a real dude.. the reaction by those few players who complained just isn't rational =/

lol because 69th post and Yes it is explicit it being real or of an animated charactor doesn't depict if it's explicit or not.

 

[Isil]

wtf the link works for me =(

edit:

for some reason you didn't add the period after the G, psycho

 

[KillerZebra]

you will be unbanned after the full day is up. which is 8:17pm tomorrow. Est time?

If you have anything else to say. please send me or faron a message. (either way i will add faron to the conversation). its not a long ban.

locking this. stop spamming threads