We Are Losing Deathrun Players to Panda
- Thread starter Winnie
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Funny Enough people claim this person is a "DR Admin that plays DR Alot"
and i never seen this person anywhere on the DR server, either I'm blind/drunk on other things in the game rn or something else!
I remember that in Dr stupidity player would grief on the breaking platforms couple of months ago
BryceM
Banned
I've only been back for a week, but I haven't seen them in game yet, only crashing out on forums.
I am not even in ANY part of a witch hunt. Sorry! I don't wish to hold influence on the admin applications.
That's on y'all. Really sucks for the witch hunt claims that, funny enough, feel like you are now retaliating against me here. I do not appreciate that.
Observing how YOU choose to behave, how can YOU possibly serve in the best interests of the future of DR?
This culture is your responsibility, and for you to lash out at me like this.. It's irresponsible. I can analyze why, unfortunately.
Better yet, what are YOU even contributing to growing it? I observe that you come in and cut heads off. Rather formidable to do in my opinion.
I'm going on recent findings that are evidently taking a toll on DR's player base. How is this not concerning to you? 🙁
You dismiss my concerns for DR EU being dead. Please don't give reason to suspect that this culture you cultivated is why EU is nothing.
I understand that rules should be an expectation to follow, but this practice of banning users without notice is NOT LEADERSHIP MATERIAL.
Insinuate me to be a damn toddler all you want. You're about to be in the mud by yourself.
If I need to translate my message for better understanding, I would not mind doing so.
I believe I'm starting to understand the viewpoint you're approaching us with. However, considering my previous post its pretty cut and dry what Pirate did was a textbook example of platform griefing.
It's an expectation that players need to read and follow the server rules, Pirate has come on the forum and talked on one of the reports against him, but it was deleted since at that time we were far stricter about non-evidence posting in reports. Him posting in reports suggests that he knows how to access the forum and read the server rules.
I understand reaching an understanding with a player regarding an issue, I've done this multiple times with other players and ultimately lead to fewer issues or no further issues and other admins probably have to. However,
the logistics of having every admin do this for every single case-by-case basis is too much considering the amount of people Skial has on staff vs the amount of players that come in and out of the servers on a daily basis. It's a near-impossibility, that's just my opinion however.
Thank you for providing clarity in the communications that were not observable.
I was not aware that they were in recognition of the reports, presuming that they were already aware of the rules. It definitely brings in a new perspective on this case.
It would be a lot if you had an average of 800 players a day, like in 2022. But that average has dropped more than half; it might be best to make a change to assist the decreasing count if possible.
Bottiger needs to find a promoter to advertise the server to TF2 content creators, also.
This is just all up to opinions, but I don't want y'all to have nothing to lead to anymore if Skial continues to head south.
Thank you for being considerate Jerma.
i don't why it's hard for you guys to understand the punishments we provide in lengths, according to our ban/mute length it goes from:
1 day ---> 3 days ---> 1 week ---> 1 month ---> 3 months ---> permanent (depending on how severe the situation is, it could be another 3 months)
especially for the people that I'm seeing in this thread you are more than aware of how the ban/mute lengths work.
Abdullah or "Pirate" was supposed to receive a 1 month ban due to the previous offences being within the same year and being repetitive.
but it would be too much so 1 week would be the appropriate punishment that isn't either too harsh or too lenient considering he has done this 3 times before already.
and the player is already aware of how the forums/appeals/bans work and they have commented on one of the reports before just as Jerma provided, they could have done an appeal and apologized for their mistake and i would've revoked that ban, but they did not.
this may look unfair to you but just repeatedly giving them 1 day/3-day bans will not stop them from repeating their offenses and mistakes.
warnings are only accumulated in case of an admin actually being in the server, if the player doesn't listen the admin has to take action.
as for admins that are handling reports like me and busy on other server that are not DR, i was provided evidence and that is more than enough to issue a ban, I do not need to warn them as they have done the same offense as before.
therefore, with all due and respect do not state that this was too harsh or that this is causing the server to die out or have the player go to different communities.
as long as they respect the rules and understand what they're doing they are more than welcome to be on the servers.
we cannot always be lenient with every single player.
1 day ---> 3 days ---> 1 week ---> 1 month ---> 3 months ---> permanent (depending on how severe the situation is, it could be another 3 months)
especially for the people that I'm seeing in this thread you are more than aware of how the ban/mute lengths work.
Abdullah or "Pirate" was supposed to receive a 1 month ban due to the previous offences being within the same year and being repetitive.
but it would be too much so 1 week would be the appropriate punishment that isn't either too harsh or too lenient considering he has done this 3 times before already.
and the player is already aware of how the forums/appeals/bans work and they have commented on one of the reports before just as Jerma provided, they could have done an appeal and apologized for their mistake and i would've revoked that ban, but they did not.
this may look unfair to you but just repeatedly giving them 1 day/3-day bans will not stop them from repeating their offenses and mistakes.
warnings are only accumulated in case of an admin actually being in the server, if the player doesn't listen the admin has to take action.
as for admins that are handling reports like me and busy on other server that are not DR, i was provided evidence and that is more than enough to issue a ban, I do not need to warn them as they have done the same offense as before.
therefore, with all due and respect do not state that this was too harsh or that this is causing the server to die out or have the player go to different communities.
as long as they respect the rules and understand what they're doing they are more than welcome to be on the servers.
we cannot always be lenient with every single player.
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i don't why it's hard for you guys to understand the punishments we provide in lengths, according to our ban/mute length it goes from:
1 day ---> 3 days ---> 1 week ---> 1 month ---> 3 months ---> permanent (depending on how sever the situation is, it could be another 3 months)
especially for the people that I'm seeing in this thread you are more than aware of how the ban/mute lengths work.
Abdullah or "Pirate" was supposed to receive a 1 month ban due to the previous offences being within the same year and being repetitive.
but it would be too much so 1 week would be the appropriate punishment that isn't either too harsh or too lenient considering he has done this 3 times before already.
and the player is already aware of how the forums/appeals/bans work and they have commented on one of the reports before just as Jerma provided, they could have done an appeal and apologized for their mistake and i would've revoked that ban, but they did not.
this may look unfair to you but just repeatedly giving them 1 day/3-day bans will not stop them from repeating their offenses and mistakes.
warnings are only accumulated in case of an admin actually being in the server, if the player doesn't listen the admin has to take action.
as for admins that are handling reports like me and busy on other server that are not DR, i was provided evidence and that is more than enough to issue a ban, I do not need to warn them as they have done the same offense as before.
therefore, with all due and respect do not state that this was too harsh or that this is causing the server to die out or have the player go to different communities.
as long as they respect the rules and understand what they're doing they are more than welcome to be on the servers.
we cannot always be lenient with every single player.
This structure of disciplinary actions was understandable, given that it was 2022, when the server experienced a huge influx of players.
I can comprehend why this was set for the time being. I was not aware that they were knowledgeable about engaging the reports as stated.
Times have changed, and your player base has been slashed by more than half. Whatever is being done is not delivering results.
We can sit at a round table and discuss the various reasons.
- Return to normalcy
- Bot crisis ended
- Players going in and out of school/colleges/work
I have every right to claim that DR is dying. Time for the proof?
EU is the black line.
US is the blue line.
This was last year from now. I was a regular at EU, enjoying the times of it without caring about the forum. I was working night shift.
After having to distort the image to fit within alignment, there is a shared agreement between both servers. Dates are lined together!
You can squint and realize both may go down, but NEVER does it go down to single digits.
Both servers were operating independently of each other, with different cultures! 🙂 The relationship between servers was mutual!
Now we know EU is dead. Still no announcement or anything as to why for that?
Let's look at US now and hope it's not going down to single digits, right?
3 times (dips) is too many. I haven't brought Parasoul's evidence to account for less activity on new maps, but best to acknowledge this first at least?
I have been trying my best to engage with players involved to make sure this does not occur again.
Pirate, Boomz Gaming, and Smugjak, from my observations, would be trying TO SEED to keep the server from falling further.
Instead, we are seeking one wrongdoing and not giving notice to them to refrain, and banning them altogether.
Thus, you get the fallout as presented above when more are being actioned against their own culture.
You can go by the textbook, but the enemy you are looking for is laughing all the while.
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There is nothing wrong with the Deathrun server, it's one of the few custom gamemode servers STILL ALIVE TODAY that consistently retain high player count throughout the ENTIRE day. It is literally the number 1 deathrun server. All of the shitty tryhard maps like waterrun and bearun deserved to be removed. Waterrun especially often killed the server. Some of you guys need to stop crying about this already.
Those who repeatedly break the rules deserve to be banned. Not breaking the rules is not a hard thing to do, just stop being autistic and you will be fine. It's not an admin's job to baby you or to follow you around trying to teach you. If someone decides to be a retard and breaks the rules "for the funni", gets banned, and decides to leave, that's on them. If they do the same time 5 more times and get banned for longer, that's on them. Can't control what retards do with their time. I have purposely griefed myself "for the funni" in the past, maybe I had gotten banned once, but I didn't cry about it after because a ban was expected. This is a non-issue.
Those who repeatedly break the rules deserve to be banned. Not breaking the rules is not a hard thing to do, just stop being autistic and you will be fine. It's not an admin's job to baby you or to follow you around trying to teach you. If someone decides to be a retard and breaks the rules "for the funni", gets banned, and decides to leave, that's on them. If they do the same time 5 more times and get banned for longer, that's on them. Can't control what retards do with their time. I have purposely griefed myself "for the funni" in the past, maybe I had gotten banned once, but I didn't cry about it after because a ban was expected. This is a non-issue.
I think you are missing the whole picture.
Deathrun EU is essentially dead in the water, while Panda Community, the only direct competitor remaining, is alive. So the question is: what happened to EU? Some argue the strict moderation and declined applications. Others think too many casual maps is boring and moved on. There's no "definitive" answer and there won't be imo.
Now, the remains of the Skial EU playerbase has since moved to US and have merged into a single server. But that wasn't always the case: US players would play in EU when the latter was active and vice versa.
That's why the posts are now about moderation instead of parkour: shouldn't EU also be still alive and kicking like US?
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Polaris
Positively Inhumane Poster
You're saying this shit as if you were burned up from modding this, despite it being just checking a tab while you're playing just whenever you feel. It's literally something you do within your gaming time, not like you're doing this full-time as if it was a job to be all pissy like that. Totally unprofessional.
Imagine comparing people to toddlers because you got tilted while modding a TF2 forum, when you're supposed to be PROFESSIONAL because you agreed to it when you applied. You’re out here doing a whole ass daycare roleplay, telling everyone else to "have social awareness", when you're the one that, instead of giving in or listening to the group of people who can actively HELP change anything for the good, you decide to do a fucking daycare roleplay on how people are stupid and that the rules are obvious.
Honestly mate, the only one begging for that "naughty step" is YOU. Why? Because you can NOT bother to turn this forum into your personal space to be petty about minute infractions and rant on the players. Maybe if the rules were so obvious, you wouldn’t need to keep writing essays about them every week, would ya?
You're saying it's "social awareness" not to grief, but the fucking bans you guys have put out there for griefing, mate. And I am tired of the whole FranGT ordeal but, for dropping a fucking respawn token, on a fucking lake? It's like getting arrested for carrying a salmon more than 40cm long infront of Buckingham palace.
Wanna know who doesn't have social awareness? It's you my friend. You are the one who despite seeing lots of upset people in a thread, about stuff not getting done, people who genuinely want to see the server alive because it's the one we've been playing for YEARS, refuse to keep any sort of open mind and stand on your high horse and even have the audacity to treat us like toddlers.
And I respect you as an admin because you actually do your job most of the times, but this time you really overstepped. I think you're very useful to Deathrun, and you really get the job done, more than other admins so.
We genuinely want the better for the server and I think we should be given a bit of control over it, even if it's just for a small period of time, we could make the server better than it is if our suggestions were listened to.
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BryceM
Banned
tbf, sakiko was the one crashing out. it should be reversed.
Sakiko followed the punishment lengths that have been set out for years. If people neglect to read the rules, repeatedly break the same ones, and thus receive increasingly longer punishments, that's entirely on them. Any other admin would have done the same thing if it had been a report on the forums. Additionally, Sakiko accurately pointed out that people were distorting and misrepresenting the truth of what happened, which then calls into question their entire argument.
If you have a problem with the rules, don't misdirect your anger at Sakiko and try to bait her into getting annoyed at you. It obviously accomplishes nothing and makes you look like your true objective is to cause drama.
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If you have a problem with the rules, don't misdirect your anger at Sakiko and try to bait her into getting annoyed at you. It obviously accomplishes nothing and makes you look like your true objective is to cause drama.
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There are no deleted posts anywhere in this thread.
BryceM
Banned
Honestly im chill with most mods, i only got annoyed at Sakiko because what she said wasn't really professional to Winnie and it was outright rude!
Sure maybe outrighting claiming she never plays on DR alot might had been a drunk move, but i really did not like how Winnie was mocked!
BryceM
Banned
You aren't even a mod rofl. Troll better next time.
lucas4647
Truly Feared Pyro
@Aeryn what happens if @BryceM doesn't stop?
You have a solid argument. (Crazy I’m agreeing with you). What you said should have been the go-to argument. Mod enforced rules properly, facts were distorted, and if players want things to change they should advocate for a rule change. I’ve been encouraging the community to witch hunt mods less and try for policy changes instead.
But I think the underlying message here needs to be answered now. What if @BryceM doesn’t stop?