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I initially wanted the rule to be removed but it'd make skial a homophobic and sexist community..

The rule is too vague. I've never seen an admin punish someone for insulting a female, for instance. Everytime someone reports a person for sexism/discrimination (which is rare), most admins say "client mute". So why is there a rule in the first place? You should specify exactly what is meant by insults, just like how you specified what racism is by providing examples.

When people type in !rules or go on skial.com to check the server rules they see that insults to gender and sexual orientations are against the rules. Insults means what it means. So if we followed that guideline, any kind of insult would be worth reporting. Then admins would be overwhelmed by the amount of reports from fragile souls that can't handle trash talks.

It's tricky to enforce such a rule due to the degree of the insults, so at least make it clear once and for all so nobody brings this topic up again and makes a debate about it. Players are not familiar with skial's policy on the matter. They don't know what is considered "serious insults". You need to inform them better. Maybe there is a reason why people don't even bother reporting cases of insults because they always end up being declined. It can be frustrating as they think they're doing good by reporting something that is against the rules by definition but then get told that it's not "serious" enough. So maybe having something like

Racism and other insults to gender, religion and sexual orientation. Does not include discussion of why it is against the rules.
  • Any form of the word nigger (nigga, nigg, etc.) is not allowed even if you are just quoting a rap song or you are black, to prevent racists and kids using the same excuse.
  • Generic insults are allowed (faggot, whore, etc.)
  • Insults like "you cock thirsty slut shouldn't play video games and should go clean your house instead then spread your legs afterwards so your bf can reward you for your good work", "don't use your mic you fucking queer, you're spreading aids to all the people in the server because of all the cocks that have entered your nasty asshole. You faggots need to die for the straight people to live in a better place", etc. may result in silences.
would be better.

EDIT: to sum up, either modify by adding at least one bullet point to clarify, because skial is not enforcing the rule whatsoever, or even remove it completely.
 
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What you suggest doesn't make any sense.

We don't need to add "generic insults are allowed". The rules are for what isn't allowed. Read the first sentence in that thread. These actions may result in bans, silences, or other punishments. Now apply that to your list
These actions may result in bans, silences, or other punishments.
  • Generic insults are allowed (faggot, whore, etc.)
  • Insults like "you cock thirsty slut shouldn't play video games and should go clean your house instead then spread your legs afterwards so your bf can reward you for your good work", "don't use your mic you fucking queer, you're spreading aids to all the people in the server because of all the cocks that have entered your nasty asshole. You faggots need to die for the straight people to live in a better place", etc. may result in silences.

Doesn't make much sense. And the last thing you added "insults like....", like come on. I am not going to monitor how badly someone insults someone else. That is the exact problem we are having right now with the current rules in place. "Is this enough to warrant a ban". There is no need for us to monitor insults. People can use the client mute or votemenu and that solves the problem completely.

The last two should just be taken out.
 
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I thought to my knowledge using ANY insult is not against the rules, unless it has to do with racist? If I say you are a "Begger Whore who is fat; go back to the kitchen" how is that worthy of a ban? That is an insult, and to my knowledge that was not against the rules? If someone said this to me, I'd mute them... as simple as that.
 
What you suggest doesn't make any sense.

We don't need to add "generic insults are allowed". The rules are for what isn't allowed. Read the first sentence in that thread. These actions may result in bans, silences, or other punishments. Now apply that to your list
These actions may result in bans, silences, or other punishments.

  • Generic insults are allowed (faggot, whore, etc.)
    Insults like "you cock thirsty slut shouldn't play video games and should go clean your house instead then spread your legs afterwards so your bf can reward you for your good work", "don't use your mic you fucking queer, you're spreading aids to all the people in the server because of all the cocks that have entered your nasty asshole. You faggots need to die for the straight people to live in a better place", etc. may result in silences.

Doesn't make much sense. And the last thing you added "insults like....", like come on. I am not going to monitor how badly someone insults someone else. That is the exact problem we are having right now with the current rules in place. "Is this enough to warrant a ban". There is no need for us to monitor insults. People can use the client mute or votemenu and that solves the problem completely.

The last two should just be taken out.

Hey, at least you said it better. Mine just seemed a little "Harsh".
 
Hey, at least you said it better. Mine just seemed a little "Harsh".

It's ok, certain people like to dumb people on this forum for no magical reason. People speak their minds, they get dumb rated. This is an M rated, if you can't handle it, go back to left 4 dead. These are INSULTS, not racism. People don't know how to use the in-client mute menu; that's their problem. I did it several times and look, it all worked out.
 
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It's ok, certain people like to dumb people on this forum for no magical reason. People speak their minds, they get dumb rated. This is an M rated, if you can't handle it, go back to left 4 dead. These are INSULTS, not racism. People don't know how to use the in-client mute menu, I did it several times and look, it all worked out.

It's whats happening to this generation. People are becoming babies, "SAFE SPACE", like what the hell. I have a lot of "dumb" ratings because of my opinions.
 
It's ok, certain people like to dumb people on this forum for no magical reason. People speak their minds, they get dumb rated. This is an M rated, if you can't handle it, go back to left 4 dead. These are INSULTS, not racism. People don't know how to use the in-client mute menu; that's their problem. I did it several times and look, it all worked out.

Where would you put the line between "insults" and "sexism" ?
 
It's whats happening to this generation. People are becoming babies, "SAFE SPACE", like what the hell. I have a lot of "dumb" ratings because of my opinions.

Can't change a book that's broken, I think it's funny they want a Safe Space where people blow up eac hother in a game, and concerned about insults.
 
Where would you put the line between "insults" and "sexism" ?

Insults; Your dirty ass whore bitch cunt cock sucker dick fuck kitchen cooking bitch fuck mother fucker.
Sexism; same as above. No one has been for Sexism because they come out as insults. Sexism is the same as insults; in my opinion. I say shit like that all the time.
 
It's ok, certain people like to dumb people on this forum for no magical reason. People speak their minds, they get dumb rated. This is an M rated, if you can't handle it, go back to left 4 dead. These are INSULTS, not racism. People don't know how to use the in-client mute menu; that's their problem. I did it several times and look, it all worked out.
It's whats happening to this generation. People are becoming babies, "SAFE SPACE", like what the hell. I have a lot of "dumb" ratings because of my opinions.
Can't change a book that's broken, I think it's funny they want a Safe Space where people blow up eac hother in a game, and concerned about insults.
People get dumb rated when what they say is dumb. So in your cases, quite a bit. How'd you get off topic anyway? Just +1 or -1 and leave it be.
 
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Where would you put the line between "insults" and "sexism" ?

I doubt there's one. Women rights is a joke, considering women already have enough rights that they're fighting for nothing at this point. If you women rights, go to Syria, Middle East and "Protest"

Can't change a book that's broken, I think it's funny they want a Safe Space where people blow up eac hother in a game, and concerned about insults.

Safe Space in videogames? Go to IMVU or some bullshit like Second Life.
 
Feminist Team Fortress 2, sorry but I know I didn't say it, but there is no way in the hell I'd support this. I'd rather have an argument with a feminist Nazi in UC Berkeley.
 
It's funny how people are turning this whole thing into a debate about sexism and whatnot again. What i ask is pretty simple.

  1. Racism has a bullet point for clarification. If you think about it, it doesn't actually need a bullet point but it is there.
  2. Insult doesn't have a bullet point and i think it needs one just to help dumb people distinguish what may result in a punishment and what isn't going to.

It's a suggestion that could "help" admins enforce the rule instead of arguing over and over again about the same damn thing. You run into butthurts and feminists, you link them to the rule that has that one or 2 extra bullet points added. That's it, jesus christ.
 
I'm for either clarifying the rule or taking it out all together (which I believe is also what Dee is arguing). The current rule makes zero sense, especially considering we don't care if someone insults a woman or guy, so it should be taken out, as Zebra was saying.
 
Then take it fucking out, no one here has been banned for insults like that. If I get banned for "You are a Bitch for using a Mic" that will be the most hilarious thing I've seen on Skial since Direwulf.
 
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I originally wrote an article in response to this but then decided it would do little good.

Basically, racism is not socially acceptable and Skial's allowing it would make us look bad.
"Insults to gender and sexual orientation" are not only a lot more socially acceptable, but a hell of a lot more common and there is no good way, on paper, to draw a line between what we deem acceptable and not (especially by green lighting certain items on the Rules sheet, which is the opposite of its purpose).

We have admins to make these calls based on what Bottiger wants in the community's interest. We do punish for anything that violates the rules to a practical degree. If you don't see as many silences for sexism, etc. as you would like, then there probably isn't enough of it, proportionally to other issues, to even warrant this thread.

Society is a walking, talking double standard and you have to deal with it.
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Insults are not illegal, and how offended people get is pretty subjective. There is always client mute / vote mute / vote ban / report / or just telling people to plain and simple, "shut the fuck up bitch"
Basically, there is no point trying to cover every scenario in the rules when the admin are diligent enough in dealing with toxic players in a democratic and diplomatic way.
Insulting someone by berating their gender is not sexism, it is not discriminatory. People need thicker skins.
 
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