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We have a recording of your owner threatening to DDoS us shortly after it happened with IP logs and witnesses that can confirm it is his voice. And countless posts where he tells people we are responsible for your attacks and a link to our website and servers. That's more than the "proof" m1dnightshadow has.

It is really funny you blame us for being too big. Many people who have known m1dnightshadow have told me that he envies us for all our players. And up until recently, he had servers in LA and Europe that were emptier than our least active servers. If you don't call that bloated I don't know what is.

We need more servers because we never forced 30 second Pinion ads like m1dnightshadow did. If this isn't the epitome of greed and flagrant disregard for the players' interests, I don't know what is. Our servers are also higher quality and more expensive than yours.

I don't believe I've done anything in this thread save act civil despite Mittens repeated attempts to get me to not be.

As for mittens: I didn't apply for admin here, never had intended to, I saw several competent regulars get rejected and my friends lost interest in playing on a server that literally had no admins on it. Shortly after they got fed up from lack of admins the final nail in the coffin was when Crimson banned all those animal name people for no reason - people saw admin abuse when perfectly legit regulars were applying and getting denied, they got frustrated etc.

I wasn't just talking about today. I was told by people you know that you were interested in getting admin. And Crimson had his admin quickly and permanently removed.

This kind of behavior is why the Corner Pub distanced themselves from Supreet, and if you have any sense you would too.
 
Why can't we all just hold hands and sing songs by the camp fire ksg and skial servers are both great so instead of accusing eachother of things we should do fun events and stuff that involves both communities
 
It doesn't really matter if you guys are here on good faith or not. As long as m1dnight keeps publically blaming us for DDos attack we are not doing and trying to buy off our members, then there really can't be a "truce" between us.

I for one have not seen bottiger blaming ddos attacks on you guys or offering free perks to your members.

Edit: and that other guy needs to stop posting stuff in your steam group about us ddos you guys.
 
I have never seen you play TF2.

Bottiger actually avidly played on Skial's original No-Crit/No-Spread server regulated by our members who were looking for a more competitive experience without needing to play in a lobby or pick-up game (PUG).

He was a damn good Scout if I remember correctly.
 
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I mean, in addition to the DDoS issue, you guys make all kinds of claims about our servers that aren't even true. Such things like every server is just a bunch of bots.
 
When you have a big city, its hard to know everyone. Impossible, probably. Thats why we don't have 12 2Forts and 6 Turbines. We want everybody to know everybody. The idea that everybody fits together is an amazing part about KSG. We do frequent item giveaways, unusual giveaways. Even people who came for items decide to give some. We don't take from each other.
Then you're openly associating yourself with a leader who does literally nothing technical aside from typing in his PayPal password, and spends his time defaming other communities, BLATANTLY LYING AND THREATENING TO DDOS THEM?

If that's the "family" your daft slogan alludes to and advertises, and whom you align yourself to? I think I'm fine "in the city".
 
I need to get off Steam when I smoke.
Antamania: as an aside, I do believe the point of my post got taken terribly incorrectly - I pretty much said Midnight was going to stop with the shit.
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: No, no he is not.
Antamania: it was pretty much a "I got him to stop accusing Skial, so can people please stop shitposting as to not encourage it"
Antamania: He hasnt done it in a while.
Antamania: We've been DDoS'd no less than 10 times since the last accusation, and he hasn't posted since then.
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: Then. Delete. The fucking. Group.
Antamania: It would have been deleted if I remembered it existed before he went away.
Antamania: I never joined the group, didn't care for the drama - nobody has said anything about it recently.
Antamania: But, that was what I was saying, I wasn't looking for a pat on the back, or acknowledgement. I was just saying the shit is going to stop.
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: I'll state it once more:
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: If that's the "family" your daft slogan alludes to and advertises, and whom you align yourself to? I think I'm fine "in the city".
Antamania: and I'll say it one more time: I'm a video gamer, not a general in an army.
Antamania: he agreed to stop, thats really the level best I can do.
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: THEN WHY DO YOU GIVE A FUCKING SHIT ABOUT BEING SOUR AGAINST SKIAL
Antamania: What have I said or done thats been sour against Skial?
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: Uh, not playing there?
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: Better servers, actual people that play there.
Antamania: I was under the impression I wasn't encouraged to play there, so I stopped for that reason.
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: It's fucking stupid that you're holding a grudge because you got tired of one person.
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: Ignorant, and stupid.
Antamania: One person?
Antamania: You told me if I told you who sent me the thread, I would be "welcome back with open arms"
Antamania: Which implies that until I did, I wasn't welcome.
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: YOU ACTED LIKE WE WERE BIG FUCKING BULLIES
Antamania: I have ALWAYS ALWAYS declared my issue was how Bott handled the issue with me personally, not another soul on Skial.
Antamania: and I stand by that.
Antamania: I haven't said a bad word against anyone since that day, and as I said, got him to stop posting shit.
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: We played your theatric charade, and acted like "oh, sorry, I'll put you back in the sub-forum, you're right, there is no reason to take it off. By the way, can you let me know this, just to clarify who I should give a month long warning point to on the forums?"
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: THAT. IS. IT.
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: And it was blown, way, way, WAY, out of proportion.
Antamania: at no point was I ever put on the subforum again.
Antamania: or told I would be.
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: YOU ACTED LIKE WE WERE HUNTING FOR FUCKING BLOOD FOR WHO TALKED TO YOU,
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: AND ALL WE WANTED TO KNOW WAS WHO WE HAD TO REMIND THE FIRST 2 RULES OF FIGHT CLUB TO.
Antamania: That was not how it was sold to me.
Antamania: But thats beside the point, there really isn't a point in arguing, all I wanted to say is that he promised to stop saying bad shit
Antamania: and I will go out of my way to see to it that group is deleted.
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: You, are so, blind.
Antamania: nah, I just enjoy playing with my friends. My friends chose here, and him accusing Bott of DDoSing him isn't good enough reason for me to up and leave frankly.
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: We, don't, give, a, shit.
Antamania: Apparently someone does, because I keep getting shitposts from skial on the forums.
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: BECAUSE OF EXACTLY WHAT I JUST SAID!
Antamania: But according to Bott this is discouraged.
Antamania: Though we know since nothing happened to Probex, that isn't necessarily true.
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: YOU'RE A GODDAMN GNAT ON THE TOE OF THE FORUMS
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: NO SHIT THEY'RE GUNNA SHAKE YOU OFF A LITTLE
Antamania: You act as if I've used Skial forums once since Bott pulled his bullshit on me.
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: There is zero, reason, not to.
Antamania: I stopped caring about Skial but for wanting to resolve the drama, I stopped playing there because I felt wronged, that was it.
Antamania: According to him he discourages it.
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: No, no, no, no. You really aren't getting it.
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: Really.
Antamania: Im just saying it takes two to tango, not precisely able to sit on a high horse when members of both communities are doing the same shit.
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: I'm not even talking about what your guy has done.
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: I'm talking about reasons for you to be a bitch and "EUH, NOT USING MY FORUM ACCOUNT, THAT'LL SHOW HIM! HMPH!"
Antamania: So do you or do you not want the group deleted? You're saying you don't give a shit, I'm simply trying to resolve the problem as best I can
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: Yes,
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: delete the group,
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: delete the accusations,
ϽiᴎiϽ [Hai?]: and go your own way.
 
I don't know why any of you bother talking to him at all... it's like talking to a creationist.
 
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This all needs to just calm down.
There are actually plenty times everything could have just calmed down.

• After using leaked private information as reason enough to pile into Skial's TS and begin micspamming and threatening us with DDoSing (which later happened but hey it's not like we have a confession of it or anything)
• After claiming Skial was attacking your servers without any proof multiple times.
• After insulting the community and admins instead of responding properly to a thread where we made it perfectly clear we weren't attacking your servers.
• After this gem.

I'm even willing to bet 50/50 things would've been able to calm down after this group was made.

I cringed every time someone brought us KSG and DDoSing again because it was just picking at a wound that's better off left alone. But if it's going to continue being re-opened like this and you legitimately want a fresh start, removing the skialperks group would make a world of difference in my opinion.
 
Antamania will delete the SkialPerks group and the announcements mentioning us in 3 days time approximately when the guy gets back, and we shall delete these correspondences to clean up the shit on our side of the fence.
 
Antamania will delete the SkialPerks group and the announcements mentioning us in 3 days time approximately when the guy gets back, and we shall delete these correspondences to clean up the shit on our side of the fence.
Why? If we delete these discussions we are just like KSG imo when they deleted my thread completely and locked yours. Not to mention all the comments that were in that "skialperks" group which called out all the complete bullshit. All the comments in their main group posts that called them out on the accusations. Pretty much anything from anyone that disputed m1dnightshadows distorted view of reality.

Why delete anything? All we've done is present facts and let them speak as they should have let us speak.
 
Fucking let it go, you stuck up imbecile. They were idiots.

Do you want to know what happened? We were walking across a street in thick foot traffic, and a retard bumped into us.
Don't turn around and bitch to everyone surrounding you about how the retard bumped into you. Just let it go.
 
I have nothing that I feel would contribute to this, so I'm just going to say:
I really hope we clear our shit up. We all know Midnightshadow is (definitely) not the best community leader, and while I do not understand why many members stay with KSG, I respect their decisions. We should not be having childish fights like these over TF2, and we've all fallen pretty low, but it's silly to go this far over a few members. All we can do is try to build the best and friendliest communities, then let the users choose which they like better.
While Skial has never DDOS'd or done anything directly harmful to KSG, we've had our share of drama, and I truly believe that, if Midnight decides to finally get off his high horse and blaming us for everything bad that's happening to them, as others have said, we will finally be able to be on good terms and all have enjoyable experiences.
 
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All accusations of DDoS attacks, and all anti-skial sentiments on the announcements have been deleted, the skialperks group unfortunately can't be handled until he gets back, and when he gets back it will get deleted.

I doubt an apology will come from mid, but I think this is an acceptable outcome. This will probably be my last post, just wanted to say I really am trying my best to get things cleared up so this can stop.

I repeat from previous posts if anyone wants to add me to discuss something, I'm always willing to talk even if you are hostile.
 
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