I don't see why the US wants to 'defend' human rights so much.
Let them kill themselves.
 
The United States is always in a tough position.

We are wrong when we don't help and we are wrong when we do try to help. There really isn't any win for us.
 
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The United States is always in a tough position.

We are wrong when we don't help and we are wrong when we do try to help. There really isn't any win for us.

I think that Obama is doing the right thing, the US shouldn't spend all it's money on a conflict with no real end in sight, the US should only intervene to make sure chemical weapons are not used nor encouraged to other vile governments. Also, Russia won't do shit, they're too smart.
 
I think that Obama is doing the right thing, the US shouldn't spend all it's money on a conflict with no real end in sight, the US should only intervene to make sure chemical weapons are not used nor encouraged to other vile governments. Also, Russia won't do shit, they're too smart.
There are things Russia can do that don't involve directly harming us. If we bomb syria, Russia might be willing to amp up their arms deals with them. Who knows? Would they attack us? Fuck no.
 
Russia might be willing to amp up their arms deals with them.

Which won't change shit - Syria's going to remain a broken turd for a long time no matter what side wins, on the one hand you have the Islamists, on the other side you have the guy who'll use chemical weapons against civilians. The only way to restore peace quickly is for a joint UN operation to go into Syria, destroy both the regime and the opposing Islamist rebel groups and insert a temporary government run by the UN. But that will never happen, nobody's going to gain on it and nobody outside Syria wants to deal with that shit.

In other words, Russia has no power whatsoever.
 
The United States is always in a tough position.

We are wrong when we don't help and we are wrong when we do try to help. There really isn't any win for us.
I absolutely hate that point of view. I mean, I understand why many Americans have it, but no. Just no.
No one asked the United States to be the world police, it's a role the U.S gave themselves to attack countries for their oil.
I've seen so many posts on Reddit about idiots saying "Oh hurr durr we don't help we get yelled at, we try to help we get yelled at, what do you want from us we're not the world police", it infuriates me to another level since it's just Americans trying to take pride in what their corrupt government is doing for its personal benefit, not for the global benefit. If the U.S was actually trying to be the world police, they would stop cutting funds to its science department and giving those funds to its military, and try to actually do something helpful for once.
 
Which won't change shit - Syria's going to remain a broken turd for a long time no matter what side wins, on the one hand you have the Islamists, on the other side you have the guy who'll use chemical weapons against civilians. The only way to restore peace quickly is for a joint UN operation to go into Syria, destroy both the regime and the opposing Islamist rebel groups and insert a temporary government run by the UN. But that will never happen, nobody's going to gain on it and nobody outside Syria wants to deal with that shit.

In other words, Russia has no power whatsoever.
If we didn't go to Iraq, that might happen. Civil wars suck for both sides but unfortunately we can't intervene simply because the rebels aren't winning or because we don't like who's in charge - there has to be more to it. Who knows if the death toll is even accurate? It could be just as fake as the original video posted in this thread. Fact is the rebels started this revolution, they need to finish it. If Obama wants to bomb Syria to stop the chemicals, fine by me.
 
I absolutely hate that point of view. I mean, I understand why many Americans have it, but no. Just no.
No one asked the United States to be the world police, it's a role the U.S gave themselves to attack countries for their oil.
I've seen so many posts on Reddit about idiots saying "Oh hurr durr we don't help we get yelled at, we try to help we get yelled at, what do you want from us we're not the world police", it infuriates me to another level since it's just Americans trying to take pride in what their corrupt government is doing for its personal benefit, not for the global benefit. If the U.S was actually trying to be the world police, they would stop cutting funds to its science department and giving those funds to its military, and try to actually do something helpful for once.

Also they want to attack before the UN council thing even had the results.
 
I absolutely hate that point of view. I mean, I understand why many Americans have it, but no. Just no.
No one asked the United States to be the world police, it's a role the U.S gave themselves to attack countries for their oil.
I've seen so many posts on Reddit about idiots saying "Oh hurr durr we don't help we get yelled at, we try to help we get yelled at, what do you want from us we're not the world police", it infuriates me to another level since it's just Americans trying to take pride in what their corrupt government is doing for its personal benefit, not for the global benefit. If the U.S was actually trying to be the world police, they would stop cutting funds to its science department and giving those funds to its military, and try to actually do something helpful for once.

Funding has to be moved to cover for us being the world police.
Someone has to do what we do and if it wasn't us, it would be someone else.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/18/opinion/gottlieb-us-retrenchment

If you get time, watch this - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1223900/
Yes there is a lot of negative feedback from individuals in certain countries about us doing what we do. There is however MORE positive feedback about us.