should advertising hacks be considered a bannable offense?
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bit
Spectacularly Lethal Soldier
If you're an admin on a server, at least try to be mature. No matter how tempting it is to annoy people.
Most new people might find the server a very enjoyable place, and stick around for a while, eventually flock over to the forums and become a new contributing member.
If we have admins messing around with people, it'll eventually give skial a bad and 'unprofessional' image, no matter how well we might handle certain things.
Admins on a server are sort of the face of our community towards newer members. Make it a pretty one.
Most new people might find the server a very enjoyable place, and stick around for a while, eventually flock over to the forums and become a new contributing member.
If we have admins messing around with people, it'll eventually give skial a bad and 'unprofessional' image, no matter how well we might handle certain things.
Admins on a server are sort of the face of our community towards newer members. Make it a pretty one.
Thats different. I spent my time googleing. If you google "roflbox hacks" nothing shows up. If you google "lmoabox" than the first link that shows up is the LMAOBOX HACKS.
What am i trying to cover exactly?
LMAOBOX
he suggested LMOABOX HACK
I said when it comes to admins. If some random guy advertises a fake hacking site I don't think I would care too much, and other players would probably just take the guy as a dick, but that's it, the advertising guy doesn't have any authority at all and is seen as a regular player. An admin are supposed to make sure order is kept on the server, so advertising fake hacking sites as an admin just feels inappropiate to me, honestly.
Does this have to become some stupid argument about badmins or could you girls move your sissy fight somewhere else?
Back on topic, I think advertising any sort of hack should be against the rules as it promotes hacking, it doesn't matter who is advertising it or what reason they might have to do so. Newbies might see that kind of thing and think Skial is fine with hacks and it would give them a negative impression of the service, plus what possible negative could there be for adding "advertising a hack is not okay" to the rules?
Back on topic, I think advertising any sort of hack should be against the rules as it promotes hacking, it doesn't matter who is advertising it or what reason they might have to do so. Newbies might see that kind of thing and think Skial is fine with hacks and it would give them a negative impression of the service, plus what possible negative could there be for adding "advertising a hack is not okay" to the rules?
hXcjedders
Australian Skial God
I agree. Definitely not a permaban but a ban is justified if people advert hacks. As for fake hack chatspamming I don't think regs, noobs, and especially admins should do it. Even if its still encouraging people to look for hacks. In cases of admins all it does is make Skial look like its run by a bunch of 12 year olds.
I think we should be some kind of example, and preventing problems on servers, not starting problems.
Look at this like you would see a policemen on the street and he would be saying : hey man, wanne buy some VVeed? (obviously typo)
Look at this like you would see a policemen on the street and he would be saying : hey man, wanne buy some VVeed? (obviously typo)
The topic of the poll is "Should advertising hacks be considered a bannable offense?" It doesn't say 'hacking sites' it doesn't matter if it is a legit website or a made up one. You are advertising the idea of hacking/cheating. We all know they exist, these fake cheat binds are funny to us. I think it is funny too, but we have to think about the bigger picture. The more naive players may not know that its fake, or they may look it up and decide to look for a different hack instead. Those fake cheats don't exist, but that won't stop people from thinking Skial allows hacks/cheats, and possibly going to find ones that are real.
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$0.02
This has only been an issue since lmaobox has appeared. Zebra has had that on his weapon for ages, and nobody has complained before.
I think we need to move forward one step at a time, so far we haven't got a rule about advertising hacking sites, so no admin has broken it, and no players to my knowledge have been banned for advertising such sites, the only bans in place are for those who have definitely had the lmaobox hack installed, and for those not aware, this also comes under the jurisdiction of the no spamming rule.
Lets get that rule in place, then we can talk about each case as it appears.
I think we need to move forward one step at a time, so far we haven't got a rule about advertising hacking sites, so no admin has broken it, and no players to my knowledge have been banned for advertising such sites, the only bans in place are for those who have definitely had the lmaobox hack installed, and for those not aware, this also comes under the jurisdiction of the no spamming rule.
Lets get that rule in place, then we can talk about each case as it appears.
From what it seems like people are just upset once they realized that cheathappens.com is not a real hacking site so now they want to double down on their argument and claim that "FAKE HAX IS NOT OK TOO" and make a big deal about it for no real reason.
80% of the players who see this bind aren't dumb enough to think it's real, they know it's a joke. When I made the other thread I didn't think people here would be that dumb (I was wrong). Most of the time I use it when I kill a server reg/someone I know. The claim is that even with a fake site they will somehow seek out legit hacks. Do you really think I'm giving anyone any bright ideas they haven't already thought of? People who want to cheat at a game to win will come up with the idea all on their own.
I think promoting a cheat code site is hilarious. Imagine the angry nerds face when he goes to the TF2 section expecting to find some good aimbot or whatever and sees that there is no content. That is pure comedy gold and if you can't (or won't) admit how funny this is - well then that is just sad. There is nothing "malicious" about it other than making would-be hackers rage. And that's OK with me.
Apparently even having binds at all is somehow a horrific community example. Making people rage when you kill them is just completely wrong. Not sure if you're aware but Valve included taunts in the game itself when they made it. People have had and always will have "taunting" binds in video games. Saying that admins shouldn't do this because somehow we will mass empty servers is pretty silly. By the way, most people don't know I am an admin or who any of the other admins are. To them we are just another player with a stupid bind.
If people were upset with my "cheathappens.com" bind they could have simply replied "Why would you do that mittens?" or "I don't think it's a good idea to say that." But instead you all acted like little children and just started name calling, talking smack in unmod, posting stupid gifs, and being generally dumb. (although there are apparently lower standards for non-admins)
The only people with anything of real substance to say are Tomatketchup and chuckwagon. There is something to be said for an overall view of Skial.
This has only suddenly become a big deal in light of the LMAOBOX hack and it's chat-spam advertisement. It's already been shown that hack advertising in general is not rampant or even a big deal. KillerZebra has used his Enhancedaim.com bind for a long time and nobody ever cared. Since LMAOBOX he has stopped using that bind. People have always used binds like "Aimbot: On", named their weapons "Aimbot.exe" and so on...
If you want to have fun with words and get technical about the thread title I can make a sister thread with different verbiage that would receive the same yes/no votes. And since we're being technical about it:
- We don't ban people for pretending to grief. We ban them for griefing.
- We don't ban people for pretending to exploit. We ban then for exploiting.
- We don't ban people for pretending to hack. We ban them for hacking.
- We won't ban people for pretending to promote hacks.
Back on topic
It's pretty unanimous from the community that hack advertising is not ok. I've already shared my opinion about it in this thread and there are already several well made cases against it there. I don't think anyone has a problem with banning those who legitimately encourage hacking.
TL;DR ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
80% of the players who see this bind aren't dumb enough to think it's real, they know it's a joke. When I made the other thread I didn't think people here would be that dumb (I was wrong). Most of the time I use it when I kill a server reg/someone I know. The claim is that even with a fake site they will somehow seek out legit hacks. Do you really think I'm giving anyone any bright ideas they haven't already thought of? People who want to cheat at a game to win will come up with the idea all on their own.
I think promoting a cheat code site is hilarious. Imagine the angry nerds face when he goes to the TF2 section expecting to find some good aimbot or whatever and sees that there is no content. That is pure comedy gold and if you can't (or won't) admit how funny this is - well then that is just sad. There is nothing "malicious" about it other than making would-be hackers rage. And that's OK with me.
Apparently even having binds at all is somehow a horrific community example. Making people rage when you kill them is just completely wrong. Not sure if you're aware but Valve included taunts in the game itself when they made it. People have had and always will have "taunting" binds in video games. Saying that admins shouldn't do this because somehow we will mass empty servers is pretty silly. By the way, most people don't know I am an admin or who any of the other admins are. To them we are just another player with a stupid bind.
If people were upset with my "cheathappens.com" bind they could have simply replied "Why would you do that mittens?" or "I don't think it's a good idea to say that." But instead you all acted like little children and just started name calling, talking smack in unmod, posting stupid gifs, and being generally dumb. (although there are apparently lower standards for non-admins)
The only people with anything of real substance to say are Tomatketchup and chuckwagon. There is something to be said for an overall view of Skial.
This has only suddenly become a big deal in light of the LMAOBOX hack and it's chat-spam advertisement. It's already been shown that hack advertising in general is not rampant or even a big deal. KillerZebra has used his Enhancedaim.com bind for a long time and nobody ever cared. Since LMAOBOX he has stopped using that bind. People have always used binds like "Aimbot: On", named their weapons "Aimbot.exe" and so on...
If you want to have fun with words and get technical about the thread title I can make a sister thread with different verbiage that would receive the same yes/no votes. And since we're being technical about it:
- We don't ban people for pretending to grief. We ban them for griefing.
- We don't ban people for pretending to exploit. We ban then for exploiting.
- We don't ban people for pretending to hack. We ban them for hacking.
- We won't ban people for pretending to promote hacks.
Back on topic
It's pretty unanimous from the community that hack advertising is not ok. I've already shared my opinion about it in this thread and there are already several well made cases against it there. I don't think anyone has a problem with banning those who legitimately encourage hacking.
TL;DR ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
bit
Spectacularly Lethal Soldier
I really dislike binds just because it spams the entire chat. Taunting is just fine for me because the only ones affected are the 'victim' and the few players surrounding him, but having someone bump the chat all the time when they get a kill is kind of annoying. Especially if you're in that server for a while.
Dunno if it bothers someone else.
Dunno if it bothers someone else.
It would be okej for an admin to pretend he is griefing, exploiting, hacking ? NOPE.AVI
I think a few people are making a meal of it because you go around calling them dumb, stupid and children. You make a 300 word post and then when HIMYM replys to your opinion, you tell him to make a new thread about it. How do you think people will react to you?
Eh I just don't want this thread to turn into some discussion about the standards and practices of admins... I meant to include that in my 300 word post.
And they did act like children.
Agreed, we should stay focused on getting this rule added to the list, as it seems we are all in agreement to this, overwhelming majority anyway.
