Obama backs gay marriage

[Buddie]

wat.
This a distraction tactic so no one notices when Biden starts talking. Just stop calling it marriage, call it a civil union problem is gone.

^ This Is what I thinks Going on.

 

[Xel'Naga]

Another suppostion is that people are afraid to say that gay marraige is wrong, so would vote through a subconcious view that it is the right thing to do, otherwise they are a nazi.
Me, I dont agree with homosexuality, not because of religion or social ethics, my viewpoint is that nature made man and woman, I cannot help the way I think, just as gays cannot help the way they think, i dont treat anyone differently, but would be sure not to vote for someone who thinks a round hole should be filed out to accomodate a square peg.

There's a gay joke to be made in the bolded text, but I'll ignore that bit for now.

It's one thing to disagree with homosexuality. That's fine and all, but is your belief that it's a choice, or genetic?

 

[Maddo]

There's a gay joke to be made in the bolded text, but I'll ignore that bit for now.

It's one thing to disagree with homosexuality. That's fine and all, but is your belief that it's a choice, or genetic?

Square peg in round hole, was not intended as a pun, it reflects my belief that marriage was made for a man and woman, well it's actualy more than a belief, it is a fact. My thinking is that marriage should be kept for a man and woman, gay 'marraige' should not be connected to this ceremony in anyway.
My belief is that in the majority of cases, it is a choice which is developed through childhood, I did hang out in the gay scene for a while with some good friends of mine, and a lot of the people I talked to had been victims of sexual assault whilst children, and a lot were just men who would do anything for sexual gratification, and it was easier for them to gain a sexual experience with another man, just because of the promiscious behaviour that men naturaly exhibit. If homosexuality is genetic, then the species would be facing it's own extinction, the easiest way to understand this is by thinking of it in darwinian terms.

*sorry I will rephrase that last statement.. If homosexuality is genetic, gays would be facing their own extinction, the easiest way to understand this is by the fact that there is no reproduction between man and man, or woman and woman.

 

[Xel'Naga]

Square peg in round hole, was not intended as a pun, it reflects my belief that marriage was made for a man and woman, well it's actualy more than a belief, it is a fact. My thinking is that marriage should be kept for a man and woman, gay 'marraige' should not be connected to this ceremony in anyway.
My belief is that in the majority of cases, it is a choice which is developed through childhood, I did hang out in the gay scene for a while with some good friends of mine, and a lot of the people I talked to had been victims of sexual assault whilst children, and a lot were just men who would do anything for sexual gratification, and it was easier for them to gain a sexual experience with another man, just because of the promiscious behaviour that men naturaly exhibit. If homosexuality is genetic, then the species would be facing it's own extinction, the easiest way to understand this is by thinking of it in darwinian terms.

Darwinism is obviously something you do not understand, then, if you think that homosexuality would kill off the species.

Here's a pretty neat point about Darwinism: Homosexuals typically do not procreate. This is kinda required in order to evolve into a "gay species" and eventually die off. So that, right off the bat, will never happen.

Don't confuse "genetic" with "hereditary". While two parents may not have any family history of Down's Syndrome, a "glitch" in procreation can result in a child being born with the condition. Just the same, a genetic "glitch" may also be responsible for homosexuality. This is a genetic condition, which may or may not be hereditary.

Chances are that if you actually believe that it's a choice, then you don't actually know any real gay people. Maybe you knew some confused high school kids who had no idea what to do with the hormones ravaging through their bodies, and would (quite literally) fuck anything with a pulse. Or maybe you know people who experimented, to find out what they really are attracted to.

But here's the thing about sexuality: It's not a choice. Nobody chooses to be attracted to what they're attracted to. I didn't choose to be attracted to women, and my gay friends didn't choose to be attracted to their same gender. Just like pedophiles don't choose to be attracted to children, necrophiliacs don't choose to be attracted to dead bodies, masochists don't choose to be turned on by physical pain, and zoophiles don't choose to be attracted to animals.

Sexual abuse as a child typically isn't going to turn somebody gay, either. You can't "make" somebody gay. It just doesn't work that way. If somebody was abused as a child, and they turned out to be gay, then odds are that they already had a genetic predisposition (again, not to be confused with hereditary) to homosexuality, otherwise they still be attracted to the opposite gender.

Sexuality, as a whole, is really rather scientific. If you actually do some research, there isn't a whole lot of mystery involved these days. We've come to understand what it is that makes people tick, and why people are turned on to certain things.

However, there is a "gay lifestyle". This is undeniable. Gay people have embraced their sexuality and developed a culture behind it. Much in the same way that those into S&M have embraced their kinks and made a leathery, studded culture behind it, as well. There's various gay fashions and cultures and a certain way that gay people carry themselves. However, this doesn't apply to all gay people, just like not all masochists are into the "dungeon" fashion scene, either. The gay lifestyle isn't to be confused with "making a choice" to be gay.

You make a choice to wear a gay V-neck tee shirt. You don't make a choice to get a boner when you see two dudes making out.

But yeah. Darwinism. Let's go back to that for a bit. Homosexuality is present in - literally - dozens of different species of animals. These species are not endangered, nor are they at risk of going extinct because the outlier gay penguin couple.

Darwin would be rolling in his grave if he could see that people are seriously considering homosexuality to be a cause for species going extinct.

My thinking is that marriage should be kept for a man and woman, gay 'marraige' should not be connected to this ceremony in anyway.

This part is particularly worrying. What justification do you have for suggesting that gay couples shouldn't get married or have a ceremony? Why should they not be entitled to the same happiness that anybody else in life desires?

You know, just 40 years ago, people like you said the same thing about blacks marrying whites. And I'm sure you'd agree that, looking back, those people look narrow-minded, ignorant, and really fucking foolish. No?

 

[Maddo]

I dont think its a choice, it think it's a combination of environment and predisposed behaviour, which is what Darwin believed. One thing you have wrong is heredity, it is the same thing as genetics. And I think you should relook at that link which covers homosexuality in animals, the vast majority of animals which perform sex acts with the same sex do not choose same sex partners, they merely indulge in sexual gratification, male dominance behaviour,or are hermaphradites. that link would lead me to believe my dog is gay because I have seen him licking the balls of another dog, put him near a bitch in heat and a different story presents itself.
You cannot compare Downs with homosexuality, for a start Downs can be detected in the womb, what may i ask is the youngest gay person that anybody has studied for their condition/behaviour (I know bad terminology, but couldnt think of anything else that worked, too early here). what i mean is, when does sexual preference become apparent in a human?
One thing that concerns me is that your comparisons to pedos, necros, and zoophilia tend to make me think that you believe it is ok for these people to have these desires, even though they are not viewed as acceptable behaviour within society. Does this mean you believe that pedos are born that way, if you do then you should offer them the same rights within society as a homosexual, or disabled person, as it's not their fault, should a man be allowed to marry a sheep because he has feelings for it?

Yep, i agree that the whole black and white marraige thing was a shamble of shit, but we are talking men and women taking part in a ceremony constructed for men and women.
My point about the gay marraige thing... When the marriage ceremony was introduced, it was introduced for men and women. It was designed for the union of man and woman, it was not designed or intended for same sex couples. marraige to me, symbolises the union of two people, and a celebration of their intent to procreate new life, which in the eyes of the church, new life is normaly a celebration of the glory of god. Homosexual couples cannot fulfil this, and to be honest why would they want to have this ceremony? surely they would want their own way of celebrating their union.
I believe that marraige as a whole is an outdated concept, I dont agree with homosexuality, but I have never disregarded its existence, nor have I ever thought any less of the people who are gay, however they became what they are.
And believe me when I say, I do know quite a few gay people, I have even experimented myself whilst I was in my teens, also spent a few years (as a straight guy), with one of my best friends (who is gay) hanging out in gay pubs and clubs in London. I can say with experience that I personaly disagree with homosexuality, but acknowledge the fact that they are what they are.