Declined MvM features - 2 way teleporters and medic revive

[Yuki Nagato]

Title is pretty self explanatory.

Breaking it down though...this could counter turtling on some maps (by which I basically mean 2fort) and encourage more people to push as well as go medic. The reason people become apathetic in these situations is because a map is plain broken, but you can introduce gameplay features to counter that problem somewhat. Such ways already exist like the quick fixes ability to jump a medic onto battlements (or anywhere), but so many players are ignorant of it.

For example: say you have people trying to push from a sewer base, having 2 way teles would let them head right back to spawn and get metal quicker without having to use the painfully slow Eureka effect. And medics could res people on the spot, rather than hope they make it back, by which time the base would likely be overrun. A charged quick fix can res a person to full hp in one second flat on MvM. It would make playng these classes far more interesting, as well ending up with better balanced teams.

As for the respawn timer it could just work like MvM and a player can refuse to be ressed by respawning themselves, or have about 15 secs after which they respawn anyway. This shouldn't matter whether it's an instant respawn server or not, if it is you just click to respawn.

I think revive should have been put into PvP by Valve as soon as they made it, as it fits the games class based mmo feel a lot better anyway. Nearly all games like that have revive.

 

[ozzeh / dave]

maybe on a custom server, but anywhere else, nope

 

[JordanJ]

Every time you make a suggestion I bury my face in my hands and let out a long sigh.

 

[Yuki Nagato]

Every time you make a suggestion I bury my face in my hands and let out a long sigh.

I've made about 4 in a year I think?

 

[JordanJ]

I've made about 4 in a year I think?

Yes and the majority have had to do with going against in game mechanics. (See 2fort Sniper) I know I am coming off as an asshole but there is a reason some of these mechanics are in place. 2fort is already a cluster fuck especially on instant respawn servers. Adding a medic revive and 2 way teleport system would allow one team to steamroll the hell out of another given that they had decent communication with each other.

 

[Yuki Nagato]

Yes and the majority have had to do with going against in game mechanics. (See 2fort Sniper) I know I am coming off as an asshole but there is a reason some of these mechanics are in place. 2fort is already a cluster fuck especially on instant respawn servers. Adding a medic revive and 2 way teleport system would allow one team to steamroll the hell out of another given that they had decent communication with each other.

That was the whole point of the suggestion, it would make the map realistically winnable. In it's current state it's a turtle fest with no quality of gameplay. 2fort is broken, but there's ways it can be fixed.

 

[JordanJ]

That was the whole point of the suggestion, it would make the map realistically winnable. In it's current state it's a turtle fest with no quality of gameplay. 2fort is broken, but there's ways it can be fixed.

There is no such thing as winning on 2fort. It is a cycle that repeats itself. Joking aside your idea as ozzeh pointed out is only plausible on a custom server. This is a suggestion about a map that in itself is broken already. There is a reason why 2fort is not a competitive map.

 

[Silver Ag]

-1

 

[Roboute Guilliman]

What you're asking should be given to Valve, not to us.

 

[Sargent¥]

-1. The reason they put it in MvM is because it's an upgrade, not something the medic gets from the start. If a team can just be revived in an actual game, it would be pretty easy to win because not everyone will stay Medic for long, they'll try it out a couple times and go back to what they'd rather play, at the same time, there will be medic mains who will still revive people and teams could win with ease. People would complain, problems will arise and people will leave, without question. Another reason is because there are lots of points in MvM where large powerful bots that fire crits, shoot quickly, launch people, mow them and more, there's lots of dying. While the killfeed is updated every second, 2 things would arise from having this in Skial servers

1. No medic wants to run around entire maps reviving people
2. It's not important that everyone lives and contributes to the team.

 

[Yuki Nagato]

maybe on a custom server, but anywhere else, nope

What you're asking should be given to Valve, not to us.

I thought the 32 player 2forts where not quick play maps, so able to be modded? Or read somewhere about Valve quick play causing some problem for independent servers anyway?

 

[KillerZebra]

Skial is one of the most Vanilla servers around now. We barley have any plugins that change the way the game was originally meant to be played.

Adding this would remove our servers from quickplay. So thats automatically going to decline this suggestion. Custom servers? Maybe. But you didn't even link a plugin, which means it most likely doesn't exist. I highly doubt Bottiger would spend his time making these two plugins for custom servers.