Ellis From L4D2

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We need this back!
 
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It's the one good CT map. +1
I guess but and this is his own words his map Philosophy is death run maps peaked in the early 2000's and we should only copy them.
the problem with cream tea maps is they dont develop take something like dr PlayStation that challenges what a death run map can be same with ciber tower becuse cream want to live in the past there no groth as a creator at the end of the day there the same corridore even thing like the bolder chase in this map is pointless as you can hug the left wall and crowch skipping the trap there also a vent that lets you skip parcore. this just courses fights over the small poshion as some player need it and other just want it
 
I guess but and this is his own words his map Philosophy is death run maps peaked in the early 2000's and we should only copy them.
the problem with cream tea maps is they dont develop take something like dr PlayStation that challenges what a death run map can be same with ciber tower becuse cream want to live in the past there no groth as a creator at the end of the day there the same corridore even thing like the bolder chase in this map is pointless as you can hug the left wall and crowch skipping the trap there also a vent that lets you skip parcore. this just courses fights over the small poshion as some player need it and other just want it
To be fair, I don't understand half of that.
 
To be fair, I don't understand half of that.
He's saying CT maps bad because:

1. Outdated design (long, hard to juke instant traps).
2. No high production value like Playstation or Cybertower.

And later just rambles about raiders exploits, skips, etc. First point is true, but I disagree with the second point. A map's quality isn't just production value/visuals. I still think it should be added because it is definitely better than the corridor slop like lazytown.
 
what do you mean nope
the problem with cream tea is his map are not inventive
they tend to reuse idea with little imagination
take dr game stop its just old meme with a mp3 file that plays the only original idea is that there a slop that you need to be in the centre of to avoid saws
 
Early versions of the map did have problems which probably put people off from voting for it again but it is completely stable as of b12.


the problem with cream tea is his map are not inventive

Raiders was my attempt at doing something different for once because players like you complained that I only make meme corridor maps so it combines parts of ordinary meme maps with some more interesting elements.
 
Early versions of the map did have problems which probably put people off from voting for it again but it is completely stable as of b12.




Raiders was my attempt at doing something different for once because players like you complained that I only make meme corridor maps so it combines parts of ordinary meme maps with some more interesting elements.
the problem is some the rest of the map is a meme corridor then the bolder/parkour segment then memes corridor all the way to the end
 
He's saying CT maps bad because:

1. Outdated design (long, hard to juke instant traps).
2. No high production value like Playstation or Cybertower.

And later just rambles about raiders exploits, skips, etc. First point is true, but I disagree with the second point. A map's quality isn't just production value/visuals. I still think it should be added because it is definitely better than the corridor slop like lazytown.
>Early 2000's
One of first deathrun map (not on tf2 actually but CS:S) was made in January 21st, 2007.
I don't think during that time, it peaked. I believe deathrun peaked in 2016. Whatever I can't tell, but If you had a best time with deathrun then It's peak for you enough.

>death run maps peaked in the early 2000's(?) and we should only copy them.
Translate this for me. Do you mean we should copy the low quality CS maps? No thanks, and considering this map doesn't look like 2000s or CS to me.


>the problem is some the rest of the map is a meme corridor then the bolder/parkour segment then memes corridor all the way to the end
I got bored playing a map that doesn't really have memes however I would consider diddy's deathrun map to be the best meme map.

If I see a low-quality map, I'm guessing it's a shitpost or meme map though. However, this map doesn't look like a meme map. Nor is it a shitpost map, I think that's a okay meme map. Not actually bad though

Edit: I believe the raiders map do need some improvements. However, it's still a okay deathrun meme map.
 
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also when it was in the roster almost no one played dr raders I do want the map back I think players should be able to play the maps they love but I think a map like dr facility would be more popular to bring back
 
also when it was in the roster almost no one played dr raders I do want the map back I think players should be able to play the maps they love but I think a map like dr facility would be more popular to bring back
Bringing back facility to bring raiders back?

Maybe I'll ask Karczoch to work harder and get facility to working.