New Limit 1 Player Report Per User, Per Day

Winnie

Winnie

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❗DISCLAIMER❗
⚠️ I am not a member of Skial's Leadership; therefore, I do not speak on their behalf, and this may hold no value! ⚠️
❌ I do not condone the behaviors/actions that are being reported
❌ No interests are tied to this suggestion. It's entirely my own
❌ No hard feelings will be taken if there is/are disagreement(s)
❌ I am not tracking any future appeals for reasoning

Limit 1 Player Report Per User, Per Day!*
*EXCEPTION: Reports that are submitted by !votereport. This is agreed automatically by creating the room-supported vote.

👉 3 GOALS could be achieved if this suggestion is implemented 👈
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  • 1. 🎯 Prevent Weaponization of Skial’s Report System (Reduce Invalid Reports)
Reporting a player without interaction is an inefficient process. TF2 is a game, not the reporting tool!
I am not seeking retribution for my invalid report(s). I am actually rectifying preventative measures.
This could even be approached as a follow-up to my last suggestion, Update the Report System.
There is a counter-discussion to this, but that will be included in the 3rd goal.

  • 2. 🎯 Lighten the Administration's Workload, Ability to Assess The Reporter's Priorities
Because let's
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You guys have lives. Bottiger does too. Respect needs to be understood amongst each other from the community and the Leadership.
Being expected on demand can be tiresome, especially if there is a large backlog of reports to manage.

Reports are also a factor for those applying to be an administrator.
Evaluating how a reporter chooses their priorities and interacts with the community can provide insight. It would produce an analysis of how the potential pick could be IF they were selected for the role.
I got questioned why I refer to admins as leaders. Because I look up to y'all. It was a principle widely understood from my workplace experience as a manager.

  • 3. 🎯 Incentivizes Users to Join The Forum
Back to Goal #1 above. Reporting a user once a week can be downright unrealistic. Some users arrive and violate the rules every day.
But this creates the perfect paradox for the community to resolve. Finding another user to assist and enforce Skial's principles together as a team!
If the user is truly having a negative personal experience, they will come forward to make their 1 report for the sake of betterment. This can be cancelled out if a !votereport command has been initiated. No barriers if there is a negative impact on the room. That is why the !votereport command is an exception.

If this makes you think, or oppose it, feel free to express! 🙂

Edit: Updated after further consultation.
 
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Jermaphobe said:
One report per user per week is far too strict.

Hypothetically, Increase that limit to three per day.
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It needed a punchline to draw attention, I can't deny.
I was initially considering 1 per day instead of 1 per week. It's included in the suggestion:

Winnie said:
If the suggestion is more inclined to be once per day, I am gesturing approval in that motion as well. A good number of reports are generated by reporters daily.
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Jermaphobe said:
Don't restrict how many are reported in a single report when it's the same offense by multiple people during the same session
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If 3 people provided the same evidence to the report, would that be grounds for 3 disciplinary actions? I may be misinterpreting, so forgive me.

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Jermaphobe said:
One report per user per week is far too strict.

Hypothetically, Increase that limit to three per day. Don't restrict how many are reported in a single report when it's the same offense by multiple people during the same session
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I see an inherent conflict of interest for the moderator who historically handles the bulk of overflow reports advocating to bottleneck the amount of daily reports.

It's like a landlord arguing they can only be sued by 3 tenants per month for habitability issues.

BUT. There are a group of people whos feedback really matters.

I want to see opinions from admins who mainly moderates in game judge Dredd style and don't handle the forums reports often. They are moderators who don't benefit from lighter report loads. Id also like to see some of the high hour players weigh in. Those two groups have the opinion that matters many times than any of our opinions (or Ellis & Cream's). These players have their finger on the pulse of the server and will likely have the best prediction on how this will shake out.
 
When you have people like @Friendly Killer making as many reports as they do, oftentimes instigating the behaviour being reported, it does backfire and creates a more toxic environment than if they weren't reporting anyone. Those players then simply join casual instead because they don't want to deal with it.
 
lucas4647 said:
I see an inherent conflict of interest for the moderator who historically handles the bulk of overflow reports advocating to bottleneck the amount of daily reports.

It's like a landlord arguing they can only be sued by 3 tenants per month for habitability issues.
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Jermaphobe said:
Hypothetically, Increase that limit to three per day. Don't restrict how many are reported in a single report when it's the same offense by multiple people during the same session
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I am not advocating for anything, hence the use of the adverb "hypothetical".

Winnie said:
If 3 people provided the same evidence to the report, would that be grounds for 3 disciplinary actions? I may be misinterpreting, so forgive me.

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No. I was referring to reports such as this one, where three players were reported for offenses.
 
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Jermaphobe said:
No. I was referring to reports such as this one, where three players were reported for offenses.
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I'll update the suggestion to be 1 report a day in this case, to lessen the harshness.
3 (or more) can be made into 1 report if absolutely needed.
 
As time goes on and I’ve digested this more I believe some form of report reform is needed. Capping reports makes me uncomfortable though…. Needs more discussion possibly in the discord/game on voice chat.
 
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Cream Tea said:
When you have people like @Friendly Killer making as many reports as they do, oftentimes instigating the behaviour being reported, it does backfire and creates a more toxic environment than if they weren't reporting anyone. Those players then simply join casual instead because they don't want to deal with it.
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Instigating how? No person can make another break the rules.
 
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arctic dino said:
Some of those were literal ear rape (I played the demos I downloaded) so Friendly Killer had a right to report them.
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If it is the server's culture and harmless with no illegality, surely it would demand discernment?
I understand the reports were not false in the matter, but mass reports for the sake of one is resulting in a callout already:


It's a hard call for both sides of the argument. You can make friendly unhappy by declining, or the server unhappy by accepting.
 
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Winnie said:
If it is the server's culture and harmless with no illegality, surely it would demand discernment?
I understand the reports were not false in the matter, but mass reports for the sake of one is resulting in a callout already:


It's a hard call for both sides of the argument. You can make friendly unhappy by declining, or the server unhappy by accepting.
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No one should blasting ear rape over voice, especially on the trade server where voice is commonly used to advertise their trades.

If you haven't violated any rules and have no outstanding ban for an issue its fine to have the opinion that you dont agree with mic spam being not allowed, but I don't think we should be caring about the happiness of the players who go out of their way to violate the server rules.
 
it's not like the US server where people use voice chat a lot.
On EU server, people are from many different countries and use the text chat because their accent is bad. Even if you use it with a perfect accent, most people wont understand what you say. Thats why most of the time you get no report from here. They were not spaming, they were playing one music and then they let the other player play their music.

Friendly killer used the reports only like a funny toy. He don't care at all about trade, he don't use the voice chat ; he have zero registered trade in his server stats.
 
So, as players will never report, because they see no problem with that ; and there is no active moderating on the server ; the situation will repeat.
Because they see players being able to stream music every day with no issues, they will stream themself. And they all do that. And one day someone with bad intention, like today, will come and wipe again the whole server community like this...
 
Jermaphobe said:
No one should blasting ear rape over voice, especially on the trade server where voice is commonly used to advertise their trades.

If you haven't violated any rules and have no outstanding ban for an issue its fine to have the opinion that you dont agree with mic spam being not allowed, but I don't think we should be caring about the happiness of the players who go out of their way to violate the server rules.
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How were they being deliberate in violating the server rules when it is the very community that establishes the standards for Skial? It's just a server, but now DR EU is gone, and trade EU could be facing the same tragedy.

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Another barrier is that it is in English, not in every language for every country. Outside rules will not be recognized due to a lack of accessibility, rather than neglect. It's seizing operations for Skial and transferring the remnants to become an English clan. Unless that is the new direction for Skial, where growth is no longer of the essence?
 
sad day

We ask for "discernment", the guy straight post a screenshot of the rules with not a single word
 
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