We Are Losing Deathrun Players to Panda

[Polaris]

Point in hand a user was warned to not constantly cough into mic all they was doing and this is the result:

Server	Time	Player	Message
DEATH RUN | US ████	10/07/2025 - 09:48:07 PM	🔗EvilCart420	real city is the admin huh?
DEATH RUN | US ████	10/07/2025 - 09:47:07 PM	🔗dumbas idot	he has admin in his older names
DEATH RUN | US ████	10/07/2025 - 09:47:01 PM	🔗dumbas idot	Real city is the admin
DEATH RUN | US ████	10/07/2025 - 09:46:40 PM	🔗dumbas idot	i bet that admin is gala
DEATH RUN | US ████	10/07/2025 - 09:46:39 PM	🔗EvilCart420	which of u guys is the admin
DEATH RUN | US ████	10/07/2025 - 09:46:28 PM	🔗Bryce (Spooky Skial Forums)	skial admin tears tasty
DEATH RUN | US ████	10/07/2025 - 09:46:18 PM	🔗dumbas idot	biblically accurate skial admin:do not fear me
DEATH RUN | US ████	10/07/2025 - 09:45:48 PM	🔗EvilCart420	skial admins gonna kill me
DEATH RUN | US ████	10/07/2025 - 09:45:30 PM	🔗Bryce (Spooky Skial Forums)	admin crying again
DEATH RUN | US ████	10/07/2025 - 09:45:23 PM	🔗Dono	admin i want ps5 for christmas
DEATH RUN | US ████	10/07/2025 - 09:45:22 PM	🔗EvilCart420	[Team] admin get a life it was a legit cough from the yart
DEATH RUN | US ████	10/07/2025 - 09:45:14 PM	🔗dumbas idot	ADMIN
DEATH RUN | US ████	10/07/2025 - 09:45:12 PM	🔗dumbas idot	hey admin

This is a prime example of why warnings do not help resolve issues - just causes more drama and why generally warnings are not used if people took the warning and acted profesional in their gaming then we could do things like this

Okay so you've got a dude who's name is dumbass idiot, who does the dumbass idiot and actively breaks the rules because he wants to. Why? Because he is a dumbass idiot. Just because he didn't listen, doesn't mean others wouldn't. So your point is this case of a troll.

 

[kilometer666]

 

[Polaris]

A user was coughing on the mic for a short period of time. No one was complaining about it until you warned them lol. It wasn't something to give a warning for cause it stopped after 10 seconds, and no one was complaining.

So, nobody was ever like complaining about it what even is the point

 

[lucas4647]

most normal people would just consider this messing around. Of course, as a moderator, you wouldn't know what that is.

from the outside looking in

Not a good hill to die on if someone has been warned. But I see this particular coughing incident as having a satisfactory ending.

My personal standard I'd like to see implemented is a warning when possible before reporting/having a moderator act for a mute that shall not be longer than necessary to accomplish the goals of the server. With extreme consideration for time played/activity on the server and the players overall demeanor.

-This user was-
warned
And I don't even see a mute/ban for the behavior. Just a admin bitching about the person not stopping. This whole thread is people bitching and airing their grievances (that most communities don't allow their users to do openly) so why can't Sakiko? Admins get to bitch about players being assholes just like we get to bitch about admins. They also typically don't like to give/see warnings because even I admit "warnings" rarely work. So Sakiko gets to bitch about that because they are also probably right.

Honestly the entirety of the interaction is agreeable to me. It seems that Bryce's side dislikes it as it was not lenient enough because muting was considered and the mod's side like Sakiko feel it was too lenient because no mute was issued.

The perfect compromise is one in which both sides are equally unhappy. If the behavior truly stopped less than a minute after within 3-4 additional coughs with more players complaining that could certainly contribute to a less leniency in the future. But as a first offense with someone stretching their warning it could have gone either way. But I'm glad they weren't muted

 

[Sakiko]

Even now the same person is on the server making groaning almost masterbating noises for some odd reason -

from the outside looking in

Not a good hill to die on if someone has been warned. But I see this particular coughing incident as having a satisfactory ending.

My personal standard I'd like to see implemented is a warning when possible before reporting/having a moderator act for a mute that shall not be longer than necessary to accomplish the goals of the server. With extreme consideration for time played/activity on the server and the players overall demeanor.

-This user was-
warned
And I don't even see a mute/ban for the behavior. Just a admin bitching about the person not stopping. This whole thread is people bitching and airing their grievances (that most communities don't allow their users to do openly) so why can't Sakiko? Admins get to bitch about players being assholes just like we get to bitch about admins. They also typically don't like to give/see warnings because even I admit "warnings" rarely work. So Sakiko gets to bitch about that because they are also probably right.

Honestly the entirety of the interaction is agreeable to me. It seems that Bryce's side dislikes it as it was not lenient enough because muting was considered and the mod's side like Sakiko feel it was too lenient because no mute was issued.

The perfect compromise is one in which both sides are equally unhappy. If the behavior truly stopped less than a minute after within 3-4 additional coughs with more players complaining that could certainly contribute to a less leniency in the future. But as a first offense with someone stretching their warning it could have gone either way. But I'm glad they weren't muted

Sadly they was on the server as i was reading this making masterbating sounds on the server, there are times when warnings do not do enough and no one wants to hear that even when kids are about and may hear jerking off by some person for what funny? they have been asked to stop making stupid sounds into the mic and proves warning don't stop said conduct where as a day silence avoid the issues.

 

[lucas4647]

Even now the same person is on the server making groaning almost masterbating noises for some odd reason -

Sadly they was on the server as i was reading this making masterbating sounds on the server, there are times when warnings do not do enough and no one wants to hear that even when kids are about and may hear jerking off by some person for what funny?

Agreed. You're absolutely right. Warnings rarely ever work BUT I still like them and support seeing them. I hope they got a mute for that behavior. But not every player is the same. Demeanor and playtime needs to be taken into account.

 

[BryceM]

Even now the same person is on the server making groaning almost masterbating noises for some odd reason -

Sadly they was on the server as i was reading this making masterbating sounds on the server, there are times when warnings do not do enough and no one wants to hear that even when kids are about and may hear jerking off by some person for what funny? they have been asked to stop making stupid sounds into the mic and proves warning don't stop said conduct where as a day silence avoid the issues.

False (kinda). the original guy (my friend, evilcart) isn't doing it, but mathematics (the guy who started doing it after evil) is talking about jacking off. I wouldn't have an issue with him being muted (in fact, I'd appreciate it)

 

[lucas4647]

And just like that. Both sides have common ground on something

 

[ihop pancakes]

As i said the issue is not a exclusive skial issue its tf2 in general

I don't think anyone is arguing that player stats across the board are all down. We can all agree they are. Hell, Skial used to have four deathrun servers.

i await the investigation from you guys why they are declining also.

In the context of Skial EU here.

It had its last legs on May and ultimately met its demise by the time Summer vacation started. And who had an increase of players and benefited the most from this during the holiday? Panda. And naturally both would dip once the holidays ended.

Just last week, this is what the server activity looked like

Close to what Skial US looks like: High activity during peak times and declines when nighttime arrives.

Panda has disadvantages of course: it doesn't have the American Timezones to work with (unlike Skial US) and Bhop is, from my perspective, unappealing to most players.

Again the question is: why did the EU server died while the other direct competitor still has activity?

 

[Metroidz]

A user was coughing on the mic for a short period of time. No one was complaining about it until you warned them lol. It wasn't something to give a warning for cause it stopped after 10 seconds, and no one was complaining.

You actually don't need to have the mic on when coughing.

 

[Winnie]

Was the dude even mentioned that the room was hearing him cough

warning was mentioned to be known but I don’t see where that is

it’s all hearsay

 

[BryceM]

You actually don't need to have the mic on when coughing.

Correct. I am very much aware of this fact. The point that I am trying to make, good sir, is that a short bit of coughing for a laugh is not a big deal.

 

[Sakiko]

Correct. I am very much aware of this fact. The point that I am trying to make, good sir, is that a short bit of coughing for a laugh is not a big deal.

Even if we did entertain this in some alternative reality lets say JJ abrams startrek world this was funny, how is his and yes HE DID IT as well as dano open their mic and make mastebating sounds funny? has the bar sunk so loww someone masterbating is funny

 

[BryceM]

Even if we did entertain this in some alternative reality lets say JJ abrams startrek world this was funny, how is his and yes HE DID IT as well as dano open their mic and make mastebating sounds funny? has the bar sunk so loww someone masterbating is funny

My friend in christ, I said the coughing was funny, not the masturbating. I don't mean to insult your intelligence, but it's odd you called us stupid babies the other day, but keep spelling the word "masturbating" as "masterbating", and just completely didn't see I specifically said the masturbating was not funny. I quite literally said I would like to see the guy jacking off on his mic GTAB (get that ass banned).

 

[Sakiko]

My friend in christ, I said the coughing was funny, not the masturbating. I don't mean to insult your intelligence, but it's odd you called us stupid babies the other day, but keep spelling the word "masturbating" as "masterbating", and just completely didn't see I specifically said the masturbating was not funny. I quite literally said I would like to see the guy jacking off on his mic GTAB (get that ass banned).

so then explain why your friend did either sounds as i am not quite following their logic they clearly thought the coughing was funny as you said so why was the masterbating sounds made ? if they was not trying to be funny. I am not trying to question your inteligence either but i do question why this was done on a server over mic

 

[BryceM]

so then explain why your friend did either sounds as i am not quite following their logic they clearly thought the coughing was funny as you said so why was the masterbating sounds made ? if they was not trying to be funny. I am not trying to question your inteligence either but i do question why this was done on a server over mic

The dude beating his shit on mic isn't my friend. Evilcart is my friend, but the other dude is a weirdo. And we all were collectively saying "wtf" when he started gooning on the mic.

 

[Winnie]

I don't think anyone is arguing that player stats across the board are all down. We can all agree they are. Hell, Skial used to have four deathrun servers.

In the context of Skial EU here.



It had its last legs on May and ultimately met its demise by the time Summer vacation started. And who had an increase of players and benefited the most from this during the holiday? Panda. And naturally both would dip once the holidays ended.

Just last week, this is what the server activity looked like


Close to what Skial US looks like: High activity during peak times and declines when nighttime arrives.


Panda has disadvantages of course: it doesn't have the American Timezones to work with (unlike Skial US) and Bhop is, from my perspective, unappealing to most players.

Again the question is: why did the EU server died while the other direct competitor still has activity?

Waiting for your response here, @Sakiko.

 

[Sakiko]

Waiting for your response here, @Sakiko.

Response to what, Skail eu dr was down during that time frame and panda swept up the player base at least from stats - with also fake ping and other things that are employed. I am waiting for your explination for why panda stats are falling now too

 

[ihop pancakes]

Response to what, Skail eu dr was down during that time frame and panda swept up the player base at least from stats

What was the time frame skial eu dr was down and which times? I see a June announcement and that's about it. To me, the graphs indicate a transformative process between March 2025 to June 2025 that caused the decline.

with also fake ping and other things that are employed

And If i search Skial EU in server list, it says i got 20 ping. Can't even type "ping" in console to see what's my real number. i'd love to know what "other" things are employed. Don't think I've seen bots added to artificially boost player count just to put an example

I am waiting for your explination for why panda stats are falling now too

I can only think of two things: map rotation and bhop.

While Bhop has been a thing for some time now (maybe like 6 years), the casual audience just doesn't stand playing the maps the bhoppers want like Waterrun and Bearun. Combined this with reduced player count across TF2, as well as Panda's 50 minute maps, you got a lot of volatility in player count which only recovers by playing the casual maps. Now, these maps don't always "kill" the server but it is player and time dependent. From my perspective, not worth keeping.

Map rotation wise Panda follows the philosophy that other servers had: big map pool and people will rtv what they want. In theory, this is fine but in practice it really doesn't. If they really want a stable playerbase, then they need to do a cleanup like Skial did.

 

[Polaris]

has the bar sunk so loww someone masterbating is funny