It’s really bad and plus there a minigame called 256 squares and it takes forever to finish and it’s a April fools map so idk why we have it all year long
Approved Remove Dr hawk tuah
- Thread starter Ellis From L4D2
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But generally, yes, the main focus should be the map not the minigames, but I'd be lying if I said if I said certain maps aren't overplayed for their minis rather than the map itself. It just so happens Hawk Tuah is neither good or creative in either the minigame or map department.
Mini-games, maps, this or that, Hawk Tuah serves its purpose well in maintaining the death run server.
The more transparent the space is below the green, the longer the room stays full. There has been a resurgence, thanks to Hawk Tuah's launch in April. But what caused it to go low in 2024?
Hardcore Deathrun Parkour was proving to be successful. But without the loophole to make the experience miserable for others...
It lost its appeal. Removing Hawk Tuah would significantly reduce player retention, as it would bring back the frustration associated with strafe and surf maps. The retention data for surf alone already paints a clear picture—it's not performing well.
The more transparent the space is below the green, the longer the room stays full. There has been a resurgence, thanks to Hawk Tuah's launch in April. But what caused it to go low in 2024?
It lost its appeal. Removing Hawk Tuah would significantly reduce player retention, as it would bring back the frustration associated with strafe and surf maps. The retention data for surf alone already paints a clear picture—it's not performing well.
i don't think it had any appeal... when the server had like 6 maps of which PQ did not work solo and Corpypas crashed.
Current Parkour can have it.
Just what i expected
"Just what I expected". The proceedings for the -150k buyout.
SIS
Spectacularly Lethal Soldier
You're acting like that the average Skial player is a skillless dickwad who doesn't know any platforming techniques when most of these players manage to successfully trimp to Death's area on Ancient Memes, something that, in my opinion, takes a lot more skill to learn more than strafing or surfing, especially when the technique incorporates some of the aforementioned skills. And even if these players get frustrated and leave the server more will simply take their places. Platforming maps have been on the server for ages and haven't really cause any problems for a majority of the people, so why is wanting to bring them back suddenly an issue?
Zerami
Notably Dangerous Demo-Knight
Reduce player attention? What are you talking about? There are literally only 10 people who like that garbage, and the rest just do it for the meme.
It's not directed towards the skial player, but towards the average TF2 player. It's not a universal skill if there's no mode supporting these mechanisms from Valve. It's just a niche that a sector of the Skial community knows how to perform. If it is such a big necessity to implement, the parkour and surf servers would be succeeding far beyond expectations. But analytically, it is not. Why is there a difference? Why is there no support for these servers? Just tossing the blame onto Bottiger for renaming it? Why aren't WE doing something about it as a community? I tried to play on the parkour server a few days back, but it fell flat alone. But hey, to vent it all out on "Hawk Tuah's #1 soldier".
Retention. It means that players stay active and engaged within the server. It's becoming a trend now that those who play on Hawk Tuah wait until the night because there is absolutely 0 sportsmanship in days to recognize diversity. It is just an attempt to record (not credible) footage to cry out why Hawk Tuah sucks for the millionth time.
I find it disheartening to see you dismiss the conversation we had for 2 hours as venting. I genuinely believed that we were having an exchange of ideas and thoughts. Calling you that was friendly banter after the apparently one sided productive talk.
If you hadn't just dismissed our conversation as venting, you would understand WHY this happened, at least from my perspective. The thread you love linking so much proves it: a server was created without the conditions that the grassroots community wanted in the first place. And that community aren't just the so called "parkour" lovers, they are also talented map creators who would have supported and be the founding stones for the server. What happened was the complete opposite, and the server was left to die as they moved on to other stuff, keep playing panda, w/e.
We also talked about this. I mentioned that Skial has the ability to constantly cycle players thanks to brand power and entry-level maps, but unable to produce stronger, more engaged players. Think about how many mappers are outside of Skial. Tons of them. Because they were too players that wished to stay active and engage in the server. On the contrast, while other servers have been capable of producing them, they lack the ability to bring in the John Does and retain them something that Skial has never had issues with it.
That's where you AGREED with me where a more balanced approach was needed. Playing too much Parkour is tiring. We played for 3 hours or so, and after beating everything, I was exhausted. On the other hand, playing too much of the hallway maps is also tiring in its own way. I told you i don't mind playing hawk tuah, so long as there is a mix of maps being played.
Then why do they need to play EXCLUSIVELY that map? Why is it so difficult for them to engage with the rest of the maps and the mode in general?
Sorry, that's democracy. It even was the first option to not change the map.
Siffrin
Uncharitable Spy
They're retarded that's why, you don't need to think too hard about it.
Zerami
Notably Dangerous Demo-Knight
So Hawk tuah makes Hawk tuah lovers stay until night because the map is so bad and horrible that it is only played at night
It was at best a civil discussion to see both sides. I stated that during the conversation. I played with y'all to relieve the resentment that is still apparently evident towards Hawk Tuah, thus why I perceive it to be venting. I chose to join in to experiment for myself and in hopes of making the server restore its former glory to witness.
Currently, it seems like the collaboration itself is not mutually shared.
With that being said, we did brainstorm on ideas for reinserting parkour maps into the death run server. While it seemed transformative, it cannot gain ground if the general playerbase is disregarded.
I was fascinated by the respawn feature in particular. I could not verbally address it to you (and for which I apologize for not being transparent), but this is where death run and parkour maps unfortunately do not blend. You can't respawn in DR unless someone has a coin in specific maps. But if players are constantly respawning in DR, it would not make sense in the name. It may make sense to you whichever way you bend it, but it won't from the base. Skial has the unique advantage of having that pull to attract outsiders. Some may understand, some may not. It's a metric I, you, or Bottiger can't measure. Therefore, it is safe to keep the names as they are for a full understanding of what the server has to offer.
Yes, I agreed that there should be a balanced approach from both ends. I don't play on DR just when Hawk Tuah is being played. Hell, we met when the map was on la_meltdown or lazytown, can't recall which lol. And one of those who support keeping hawk tuah thought I turned my back before.
But parkour is featured on nearly every map. Should I create/support a suggestion to eradicate any map that features it?
1. Obivous no because it is well received by all players on what the objective is to do. But who is to speak for the general playerbase and not here in forums? Only the statistics will show, and that has been done already as aforementioned.
But here, Hawk Tuah is facing possible removal nonetheless. Do I not have the same right to speak? Why should I not be allowed to link in this thread in particular? "Grassroots" (or "OGs" as I refer lol) need to be able to collaborate respectfully with new players, vice versa. If we abandon the needs of new players, then the community will stagnate. I stated during our conversation that it would be like Amazon selling books still. If new players abandon the OGs, then the core principles of the server are lost. Recklessness will rise, but Skial Leadership has been responsive and professional in treating reports as they occur. In a fair manner, if I must brag. But I really can't stand how there is this presumption that all who come in now share a trait of Kilo of sorts. And when there is this refusal to acknowledge those who come in as they are (IF in respectable terms), am I supposed to act shocked when the culture deteriorates? More reports do not equate to a healthier environment. Basic HR. When the opportunities present themselves, it is fully understandable. But persistently?
Various factors.
1. It is a meme-map. Dead or not, a meme-map causes intrigue in those who have not seen it before to determine whether it is of any value. Nominating and voting can serve as a meme itself.
2. A short map. Some people have busy lives, so waiting around for 10 to 15 minutes for a round to start when the map changes can result in a poor experience. In Hawk Tuah, it's rarer for this duration to be longer, given how the map is shorter than most.
3. 256 yeah yeah I know. However, the duration is relatively short (3 minutes). Any mini should not be spammed repetitively, but referring back to the recklessness.
And if it feels like forever, consider how it must feel for the general player base watching Wabbit and Reiden finally get the server out of Johnny on dr_playstation after 40+ minutes.
Sometimes it will be RTV'd out, and sometimes not. It depends on the nature of the room. There have been instances where Hawk Tuah was extended, but then it shows how cherry picking on both sides is prominent here. No map is immune to it.
And gee golly whiz, a full room also if I must add. They don't want Hawk Tuah!
SIS
Spectacularly Lethal Soldier
You posted this a month ago and its still not accepted, what makes you think it's gonna be accepted anytime soon