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If you're just gonna downvote shit, why not just give yourself a pat on the back and enjoy some of the more positive reviews on reddit?

How'd it take me this long to realise that reddit screenshot is just one massive uncle dane simp, and that this is why we're having this conversation is because of pre adults like this?

This is kind of the problem here, for every positive comment about us there's 50 negative ones.

It's not just 1 person. I can dig up countless examples.

It's kind of silly for you to assume I'm doing this just because of 1 person.







And this isn't just about my ego here.

You don't realize this, but it isn't simple to keep the servers filled. It is a constant battle on multiple fronts and reputation is one of them.
 
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This is kind of the problem here, for every positive comment about us there's 50 negative ones.

It's not just 1 person. I can dig up countless examples.

It's kind of silly for you to assume I'm doing this just because of 1 person.







And this isn't just about my ego here.

You don't realize this, but it isn't simple to keep the servers filled. It is a constant battle on multiple fronts and reputation is one of them.

I've added all these members to my friends list. :)
 
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Also. again, you have plentiful people joining. I bet you could find a million people complaining about Blackwonder, and even Uncletopia. Mayb youre trying to advocate for the wrong people.
 
Also. again, you have plentiful people joining. I bet you could find a million people complaining about Blackwonder, and even Uncletopia. Mayb youre trying to advocate for the wrong people.

No go search, they don't have 1/10th the comments or youtube views of people talking shit about their servers as we do.
 
Realising another of your problems here. If skial are THE most popular servers, then you're gonna get shit on twice as much. See, you've set yourself so far up, that more columns near the bottom are gonna give way than other servers would.

And that's not just including the hipster tweens that like to go against the standard ("most popular? Yeah I doubt it"), that's including players that have no idea what they're about to get themselves into, and then cry about it because they want everything spoon-fed to them
 
I guess at the end of the day, you don’t exactly need a full blown toxicity rule that’s enforced 24/7.

I’d just say that if enough people are asking to get rid of some fucker who’s being toxic, then mute/ban them for “excessive toxicity”. The number of people required could be a minimum of 15, 20, or 25 and there should be evidence to back up this claim of the person being a dink. That would probably be easier to get the worst offenders outta there.

I understand that many don’t want Skial to become a “snowflake community”, I sure as hell dont either, considering I left my old community because they banned every insult you could imagine.
 
Personally I feel trying to appease a certain community of people who have, either for the sake of a joke or peer pressure (probably not the correct word but you'll get the idea), already come to the conclusion that skial is shit is a waste of time and actively worsens the server. I feel it would benefit you more to take more feedback in the manner being done now, by talking and listening to the community that actually plays here, rather than a few loud people who talk about it online, whose play on the server and TF2 as a whole is questionable at best. Reddit is just one place, and if that specific community, as the reddit TF2 community is not THE TF2 community, doesn't like skial for whatever reason, I don't think you should implement changes simply to benefit them, bar the opinions of everyone else. Even if it's kind of a popular joke to hate on skial, more often than not, especially in the posts you linked earlier, they are either downvoted (showing a lack of people agreeing with them), or directly confronted and refuted (as seen in one or two of the posts). While there are definitely some people who hold bad opinions about skial, feeding into those kinds of people will only lead you down a path where you will work tirelessly and never please them, all while alienating your current playerbase.

Second, as someone people would probably rightfully consider toxic, I can say safely saying trying to moderate something as broad as 'toxicity' is a slippery slope in itself. the world is full of many people with many different opinions, and what is run of the mill speech to one person can be the worst insult to another. sure there are the obvious cases like telling people to kill themselves and so on, but past that, this rule would invite anyone and everyone to create their own idea of toxicity as a rule, and if someone's borderline definition gets accepted once, it can quickly create a precedent that leads to abuse of the rule itself as was never meant when written.

Honestly, I don't think skial's rep is as bad as you think it is. As far as I've been able to read, its just a meme in the reddit circle and rarely goes farther than that, and even then taking steps toward appeasing them would not change this fact. Even if for whatever reason you dismiss everything I've previously mentioned, this is the big takeaway: you will never change people's minds by sucking up to them, keep true to yourself and what you do and the people who matter will eventually come around.
 
Also the fact that a numerous amount of people I frequently play with return to play for hours more. Around 30 or so people. Thats just Trade, as well. I can imagine its evenmore so for the casual servers.
 
Reddit is just one place, and if that specific community, as the reddit TF2 community is not THE TF2 community, doesn't like skial for whatever reason, I don't think you should implement changes simply to benefit them, bar the opinions of everyone else.

Reddit has the largest number of tf2 players out of any platform outside of steam itself, in no small part due to the fact that it has been linked to from teamfortress.com for many years now. We were actually the most active place for TF2 discussion until that happened. We cannot just ignore it as "another platform" that has a minor and ignorable number of TF2 players. I am seeing other communities constantly advertised there go from 0 to a large number of players.

Even if it's kind of a popular joke to hate on skial, more often than not, especially in the posts you linked earlier, they are either downvoted (showing a lack of people agreeing with them), or directly confronted and refuted (as seen in one or two of the posts).

They are downvoted or refuted mostly because we have people watching reddit now for people spreading blatant lies about us like cyrusredblock.

At least half the responses, I can recognize from people on Discord like Metz and not from a random redditor. They would never have seen it if we did not talk about reddit there. We've been doing this for the past few months now, but you can find examples where we did not downvote or refute them in time and they get like 10-50 upvotes. We've been actively fighting the misinformation for the past few months, this isn't something that happened on it's own.

It is because we ignored these people spreading lies about us on reddit for so long that others have a negative opinion about us even if they've never played on our servers. There are people who are claiming that our servers are toxic, that we are pay2win, or that we ban people for killing friendlies.... all while never having connected a single time.
 
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I don't think the point of a toxicity rule is to ban shit-talking or taunting after kills. There are maybe 4 cases I can think of that would have benefited from a toxicity rule so something could be done to keep people from leaving the servers.

I also think the people who gain the reputation on a server for being a vile, toxic piece of shit no one really wants to play with is who this rule would target. And TBH, they're easy to spot.

Specifically from 2fort+:
-I saw a trash vs Krash argument which hits the nail on the head.
-Gawlfer? Before he was perma-muted all he would do is call people cunts and belittle them. If he gets pissed enough, he'll go engi then start moving his dispenser around so the person who pissed him off wouldn't be able to heal. He'll block their sentries (he starts grieving the team bad).
-Nightblade vs Codeseven
-Sugarwater
-People who will only tell people to kill themselves (etc) and contribute nothing else to the chat.
-Hopping servers to follow people to continually harass them.

The problem is when admins are unable to do anything because the person isn't technically doing anything against the rules, but they are making it uncomfortable to play and enjoy the game.

Again, no one gives a shit about trash-talking, but there is a line that some people overstep and it ceases being "in good fun."

Edit: And appeals still exist. /hardeyeroll
 
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I think Orphanne sums it up pretty well. I think most of us wouldn't be unhappy if the rule was made and was explicitly targeting that.

I just don't know how you word a rule to target that behavior, that couldn't also be applied to like, specifically targeting one player on a server you're on, spawn camping, some trash-talk etc.

But if there's a way we can come up with to do it, my objections are basically handled.
 
For those of you who still don't believe we have an issue with people slandering us on reddit and it's just one person, here's another one that has been spreading bullshit about us for >2 months now.

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I just don't know how you word a rule to target that behavior, that couldn't also be applied to like, specifically targeting one player on a server you're on, spawn camping, some trash-talk etc.

I don't think there will be any way to word the rule precisely as neither Riot nor Blizzard has done so. You're just going to have to trust the admins much as people here hate the idea of doing so.
 
I like the idea of just "No toxic douchebaggery"

Let you all sweat out what it means.
 
>trust the admins

Its been an entire month since I asked why I received a warning about shitposting, despite the fact I wasnt intentionally doing so. No answer to that whatsoever.

I'd trust my tonsillitis more in regards to controling toxic behaviour, especially as each admins a different person. They MAY be operating under the same roof, but personally Ive noticed theyve all got their own little mindsets. (Which is perfectly fine, but here's the issue)

What's to say one admin finds it fair to have banned someone, whereas another, or even the server, disagrees? What if theyre banning someone for toxic behaviour, despite them acting the way they were before this gets put in place?

Heck, none of us can even agree or settle on what exactly should be bannable, its entirely upto personal views, and its gonna result in bans that will very likely get skial targetted
 
I like the idea of just "No toxic douchebaggery"

Let you all sweat out what it means.

I think it's unwise to have rules that are open entirely to interpretation, in particular when you are trying to mend a reputation you view as negative.

When people are unsure as to why they received a ban, they are far more likely to complain about your servers elsewhere.

But if getting revenge on folks you view as a negative instead of worrying about the reputation, I guess this makes sense.