That's a bit much, don't you think?

Not really.

1 key = 2.33 ref = $2.49
750 CE = 35000 - 55000 CR (the price fluxuates daily) = $2.45

Some math that I'm not going to show (my teachers always got mad at me for that way back when)

That puts the value of a ref @ 15,000 CR to 23,000 CR.

1 scrap worth between 1.6k & 2.6k CR.

2000 crowns aren't worth a whole lot. In Spiral Knights once you can alchemize 2 star items you can make 2000 - 3000 crowns in a day pretty easily. And that's without stepping one foot into the clockworks (so in other words- practically no time investment, like idling in TF2)
 
Oh man, did the clockworks finally open?
Last time I played was when you could finally unbind items and give them new perks and whatnot
 
Not really.

1 key = 2.33 ref = $2.49
750 CE = 35000 - 55000 CR (the price fluxuates daily) = $2.45

Some math that I'm not going to show (my teachers always got mad at me for that way back when)

That puts the value of a ref @ 15,000 CR to 23,000 CR.

1 scrap worth between 1.6k & 2.6k CR.

2000 crowns aren't worth a whole lot. In Spiral Knights once you can alchemize 2 star items you can make 2000 - 3000 crowns in a day pretty easily. And that's without stepping one foot into the clockworks (so in other words- practically no time investment, like idling in TF2)

Refines sell for $1, not $1.25. I'm not sure what other values you mixed up, but you can see all my calculations here. 2000 crowns is about 2 scrap. I'm willing to bump my offer for the machima to 3000 crowns.

375.94 ce/$ (7500 for $19.95 pack - medium priced package)
x
57.00 crowns/ce
=
20625 crowns/$
x
1 $/refined
x
1/18 refined/scrap
=
1145.83 crowns/scrap
 
How much for the half zatoichi or the power jack

how about 3000 crowns for both or 1 scrap & one random weapon?

Refines sell for $1, not $1.25. I'm not sure what other values you mixed up, but you can see all my calculations here. 2000 crowns is about 2 scrap. I'm willing to bump my offer for the machima to 3000 crowns.
375.94 ce/$ (7500 for $19.95 pack - medium priced package)
x
57.00 crowns/ce
=
20625 crowns/$
x
1 $/refined
x
1/18 refined/scrap
=
1145.83 crowns/scrap

I think we're using a couple different base numbers. I'm using the price of 750 CE, which is the minimum purchase amount, as well as the price & value of keys.

You made one small mistake though (I actually almost made this mistake myself but I caught myself right when I did):
1 Refined doesn't equal 18 scrap, Refined equals 18 random weapons or 9 scrap. Notice that falls within my range of crowns per refined.

I guess it doesn't matter though, since I don't have a Machina for trade ATM.
 
Oh ok, yes It should be 9 instead of 18.

But I still think you should calculate using the $20 package.

Most people who have CE to sell don't buy them 750 CE at a time which is just a waste of money.
 
On a side note what do you think how much would a hat cost? Like the grenadier's softcap?
 
On a side note what do you think how much would a hat cost? Like the grenadier's softcap?

Well if we've got 23,000 crowns or 375 crystal energy = 1 refined, I guess if someone were willing to sell the Softcap for CR or CE, they should ask around 45,000 crowns or 750 CE.

I'm hoping that people with high end stuff will want crowns/CE.

And going off the tf2spreadsheet:

Bill's Hat should equal 270K CR or about 4,400 CE (I'm rounding up a bit here)
Buds would then be about 640k CR or 8,800 CE
Max's Head should be about 2.56 million CR or 35.2K CE
And thus HOUWAR should be about 10 million CR or 140k CE.

That's my objective in Spiral Knights now: Make 10 Million CR & then get a HOUWAR.

Or with about 370 dollars worth of make believe money I guess I could trade for a bunch of games instead. That'd make more sense wouldn't it?

The only problem with trading between Spiral Knights and TF2's economy is that despite the money comparisons of CE to refined: 1 refined takes a player about two weeks to farm (assuming one account.) I haven't gotten to the tier where I'm able to craft 5 star armor & such, but I'd imagine that making 23k CR at that point has got to be pretty easy.

At the same time, I don't quite know what the high end economy of Spiral Knights is like. You can make 2 star items twice a day if you buy all the materials, 3 star items once a day if you buy all the materialss. However, a 4 star item would take three days to make assuming you're conserving energy, since you have to buy all the materials (including a 3 star item) and then level that 3 star item up to level 5 (which will use all or most of your mist energy for the day.) The next day you craft the item. The next day you unbind the item.

Of course you could do that all in one day, but then you've got to trade some crowns for 200 CE. Maybe the profit's big enough the 11k's not a big deal.

But at the same time, 2 star items are easy to sell because there's always an abundance of newer players needing decent gear. What's the demand like for 4 & 5 star items?
 
Well if we've got 23,000 crowns or 375 crystal energy = 1 refined, I guess if someone were willing to sell the Softcap for CR or CE, they should ask around 45,000 crowns or 750 CE.

I'm hoping that people with high end stuff will want crowns/CE.

And going off the tf2spreadsheet:

Bill's Hat should equal 270K CR or about 4,400 CE (I'm rounding up a bit here)
Buds would then be about 640k CR or 8,800 CE
Max's Head should be about 2.56 million CR or 35.2K CE
And thus HOUWAR should be about 10 million CR or 140k CE.

That's my objective in Spiral Knights now: Make 10 Million CR & then get a HOUWAR.

Or with about 370 dollars worth of make believe money I guess I could trade for a bunch of games instead. That'd make more sense wouldn't it?

The only problem with trading between Spiral Knights and TF2's economy is that despite the money comparisons of CE to refined: 1 refined takes a player about two weeks to farm (assuming one account.) I haven't gotten to the tier where I'm able to craft 5 star armor & such, but I'd imagine that making 23k CR at that point has got to be pretty easy.

At the same time, I don't quite know what the high end economy of Spiral Knights is like. You can make 2 star items twice a day if you buy all the materials, 3 star items once a day if you buy all the materialss. However, a 4 star item would take three days to make assuming you're conserving energy, since you have to buy all the materials (including a 3 star item) and then level that 3 star item up to level 5 (which will use all or most of your mist energy for the day.) The next day you craft the item. The next day you unbind the item.

Of course you could do that all in one day, but then you've got to trade some crowns for 200 CE. Maybe the profit's big enough the 11k's not a big deal.

But at the same time, 2 star items are easy to sell because there's always an abundance of newer players needing decent gear. What's the demand like for 4 & 5 star items?
That's a lot of crowns :D
So are you selling anything at the moment?