Invalid ZtG | «BBQ» Prophet NotADr. - This admin is abusing his authority and lying on my ban appeal

♛ Jojo Da Pope ♛

♛ Jojo Da Pope ♛

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Summary:
This admin is abusing his authority and lying on my ban appeal

Player Name:
ZtG | «BBQ» Prophet NotADr.

SteamID:
[U:1:68373722]
https://stats.skial.com/#summary/player/SteamID/All/[U:1:68373722]
https://www.skial.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=banlist&advType=steamid&advSearch=[U:1:68373722]
https://www.skial.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=commslist&advType=steamid&advSearch=[U:1:68373722]

Time:
4:46am

Servers:
TRADE | US

Detailed Explanation / Screenshots / Demos:
It was 4am and about 10 people were on the trade server, a guy was being toxic so i said i would find him in real life....everyone laughed at it and i was not talking in a serious tone at all, then the admin kicked me..i then rejoined and asked who the admin was and he said it was him...then i asked why did he kicked me and he said to me "it was just a prank" in a laughing manner..so i continued all fun and games saying i would find him in real life as well, no one took it serious and he gave me no warning that he would permanently ban me if i didnt stop...he was silent, didnt say a word excpect "its a prank". But now he claims on my appeal that he was offended and i was threatning staff and thats why he banned me, then i said i was sorry if i offended him but he gave me no signs and no warning of him being serious at all, then he rated my comments dumb and invalid. he permanently banned me from all skial servers and i have been on these servers for more than 2 years..he is abusing his authority and should be removed please help me.( he really said nothing to me at all and just banned me) over something so small like this maybe a day or a month ban but not forever...​
 
It is not any member of staff's duty to hold your hand nor give you special treatment. It is, however, each player's duty to understand the server's rules and abide by them.
Since you appear to need extra provisions in the ways of common sense, here is a numbered list of reasons why your punishment is deserved:
  1. Threatening staff is against our Rules (and in fact, threatening anyone with violence, like throat-slitting, is a crime where the server is hosted)
  2. You have shown no remorse nor acceptance of guilt for your actions; only your being punished
  3. Your being kicked was a very clear indication that you were doing something wrong and was more of a warning than is required to be given
  4. You lied on your Appeal (and continue to lie,) claiming you didn't know I was staff after being told that I was (per your asking, immediately thereafter threatening to come to my house and slit my throat)

♛ Jojo Da Pope ♛ said:
i didnt know he was an admin and everyone was laughing including him
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BONUS: Nobody was laughing, especially not me, and your behavior falls nowhere on the spectrum of the acceptable.
SUPER BONUS: This is the wrong section for Ban Appeals
 
I just saw this and I want to throw something in that bothered me with this.

It would be great if an admin other than the one that was reported for abuse or cheating would actually lock threads or set them invalid.
If we have admins locking threads and tagging them as invalid in which they are reported for things like abuse I'll be the first to come right out and call this a stupid way of a resolution.
It is beside the point that this report is invalid, it should just not be handled by the person that is being reported, but some other admin. I'd prefer next time, whoever is being reported, to reply obviously but not handle the report him or herself.
Let someone else look over it, if you don't have anything to worry about you don't have to fiddle with reports that target against you.
Thanks.
 
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Completely agree with @T-Wayne in this case, though I'm not sure how we can really handle this.

Nothing that Prophet did could be classed as abusing his authority.
He kicked you for threatening another player (not technically a rule, though it could be seen as illegal).
He banned you for threatening a staff member (which you did, though as I've said here, I don't think that was fair).

Unless you can prove that Prophet was laughing, we can 't factually show that he lied in your ban appeal.
All things considered - he wasn't abusing his authority, so this report is invalid - or at worst, in need of evidence that he was laughing?
That's my position on this matter, I will wait to see what other admins think about this, best to get as many viewpoints as possible before ruling.
 
Look he said i lied well i didnt, most of what he is saying is really crap, i admitt to threatning staff but it was in no way serious whats so ever and no one took it seirously including him, because its just a prank as he said after kicking me the first time...how am i supposed to take that? i took it as he kicked me as a joke, he didnt say hey if you keep being toxic then im going to ban you..no he said "ts just a prank" and lead me on to believe i was being funny, then permanent ban me. no explanation no nothing, it is an admins duty to ban fairly right? i dont think being banned forever on the best trading server in my opinion is fair for something so small as this, and i have apologized if i offended you which i clearly did not know.​
 
I dont know how to prove him laughing but i know he did say "its just a prank" in a laughing not serious manner and the people on the server definitely thought it was funny and began to repeat it as a joke,
(remind you was not at all a hostile situation)
 
Honeslty all i want is to not be banned forever, it was not fair at all. I think a ban time period would be fair but not forever over something so small like this. it just isnt right.
 
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Any Trade US server regular can tell you that I rarely sound like anything other than pissed off. And anyone on the server at the time can tell you that nobody (except maybe you) found this funny.
I again state that you are not guaranteed any form of warning and that you should've taken the free hint [kick] into consideration. You did, after all, have the time after you were kicked to review your actions, read the Rules and consider the possible consequences of threatening to kill people. If you had continued to threaten players, I would have kicked you again. Regardless of any memes or happenstance, your course of action upon your return was to identify the admin and threaten to come to his house and slit his throat. I fail to see how your complete disregard for the Rules, sociopathic lack of empathy for the community and psychopathic threats against human life are justified or acceptable.

As far as marking this Report and Locking is concerned, the Report has no evidence (and is untrue) and as such, is Invalid as well as in the wrong section (this is effectively just another Ban Appeal), hence the Lock, since he'd just multi post more garbage here [seen above].
 
Perhaps you all should bring in people whom were there instead of continually referencing them, because, otherwise, it's a he said, he said. I think that's a fair way, rather than you two going back in forth in a report. That's not conducive to anything.
 
Why should it be closed, He is complaining your abusing your admin powers and he has right for it to be looked into then swept under the carpet by you.
As RMSniper said it would be good to have the people you reference to post here and offer their evidence to the subject
 
Sakiko said:
Why should it be closed, He is complaining your abusing your admin powers and he has right for it to be looked into then swept under the carpet by you.
As RMSniper said it would be good to have the people you reference to post here and offer their evidence to the subject
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He can complain all he wants, but without evidence, his report is worthless. Other reports without evidence are closed, just as this one should be. I doubt any of the players who were there have any evidence either, so again, this is just waiting to be closed.
 
Actually other reports without evidence are marked as need evidence.

Personally, I don't think Prophet abused being an admin in this situation, since the rules did state "threatening skial servers or staff". It looks to be just a misinterpretation. It has been clear up by Bottiger what it actually means
Bottiger said:
I don't remember the specific case that led to this addition to the rules.

But I believe it was when someone was threatening to ddos an admin, maybe to get unbanned, my memory is fuzzy.

I don't think this rule needs to be removed.
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Basically a "if you don't unban me or do what I say I am going to harm skial or hack your computer" or whatever

And Bottiger has changed the wording of the rules itself to make it more clear.

Bottiger said:
  • Threatening to attack Skial servers or credible threats against Skial staff.
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The first thing I have a problem with is the OP getting kicked, being told it was a prank, and then getting banned. While it is true that we don't require warnings, "its just a prank" shouldn't have been said if the intention was to punish the user. There should have been a warning in this case, since the kick was negated as a joke.

The main concern is kicking someone for threatening players. Which isn't in the rules at all. The initial kick shouldn't even have happened. It should have been left up to the votemenu. This is why I unbanned the OP.

I personally think if you can accecpt that, we can move past this. While it really isn't my call, I don't see a reason to remove him from admin.
 
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