Wic' - Admin Application

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>:)Apoc said:
I play on Skial servers, and give Wic' my +1 because that is really important and makes sure he can be trusted!
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Five people with the exact same response. This is either a very big coincidence or you are working down your friend list, telling them what to write in your app. I have to say, it is not really proving yourself in a good light and I would like to see some people that can support you with real experience on the servers, rather than your 'minions'.

For now, you have a very neutral vote by me. You have had a very mature attitude on the forum (excluding the incident in the unmoderated-section) and you seem to be extremely friendly and nice on the server with a very clean chat log, but this faking of support is not good, nor should you continue to do it.
 
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Five people with the exact same response. This is either a very big coincidence or you are working down your friend list, telling them what to write in your app. I have to say, it is not really proving yourself in a good light and I would like to see some people that can support you with real experience on the servers, rather than your 'minions'.

For now, you have a very neutral vote by me. You have had a very mature attitude on the forum (excluding the incident in the unmoderated-section) and you seem to be extremely friendly and nice on the server with a very clean chat log, but this faking of support is not good, nor should you continue to do it.
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Nowp, I know it is fake as hell, that's why I'm doing it.
I can't believe Skial is basing it's decisions on "+1" posts rather than looking at the person applying.
I did tell you before, I would never ask anyone to vouch for me, as I think it is the most incorrect and absurd way to "trust" someone with admin privileges.
But after "You should get people to vouch for you"... Cmon guys this is ridiculous. I can get another 50 - 100 posts if you want, can even look up which ones to ask from now on, and make sure they played on Skial before...

Is this really how admins get selected?
I don't rly care about the whole admin thing anymore, I only wanted to keep some servers a better place to be, a fun server to play on.
But I do hope the "admin selection" thing gets a serious review, because if this is how it's done, no wonder allot of admins eventually abuse their powers.
I am not judging the community at all, I've seen allot of good people/posts on here. But this is just... Plain stupid! Sorry to put it this way, don't want to make enemies :(
 
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aT. Wic' said:
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Actually +1s don't necessarily make or break an app. Extaa's app was full of -1s because he frequently cursed like a sailor, but the way he acted during the app thread turned it all around and Bott gave him sort of a trial-period deal that worked out nicely.
 
aT. Wic' said:
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The information below are based on my observation, it is not the official wording made by any authority of Skial nor should it be seen as such:

Do not believe that the selection of admins are entirely based on one factor alone, it is quite not as black & white as you see it as.

The admin selection are based, in the core, on 3 different factors:

* The player himself and his record on the community.
* The experience given by the community.
* The experience given by the admins.

An application alone can only go so far, and the first post will only include the first factor. To make the decision if you are the right person for the position more clear, the second factor will be needed. This is what you call "+1:ing". Experience of said player by the community where they are given the opportunity to tell what they think about you and if they believe you are justified the position as an admin. Last, the experience the admins themselves have with you, as they are the authority of the clan their opinion will be included in the final decision.

What you seem to believe is that the decision of recruitment is only based on the second factor, and that is a very big lie. The admins are only asking for "+1:ing" because they need it to better observe which person are best suited for the position, as experience from other players are valuable in the final decision. A bigger spectrum of opinions, experience and opinions is, in my opinion, the best way of finding the best suited players to be recruited to admins.
 
I totally agree with both posts.
Now please explain me how anyone who hasn't even bothered to join me ingame, with or without knowing me / me knowing, can judge me?
I know the whole + 1 thing is just 1 aspect of the admin approval, but it's just plain stupid aswell. And you can pretend it's "just a small aspect", cause you all know that's what you look at. There will always be exceptions!

Skial is known for admins going wrong, you can disagree on this one, but it is a known fact on "my" friends list.
Ofcourse I know the "loyal" Skial people aswell, like Mia, who disagreed on my way to prove this thing to everyone active on this forum, and I admire her for that.
Although I do think you guys are stuck in a way "you have always used" and which is just wrong... You can't judge a person ingame because he said 'shit' on some forum; you can't tell he is trustworthy because he 'licks your ass' in a forum. There is only 1 way to see if he will follow your cause... INGAME!

Guys, I'm not here to criticise everything you were build on, not at all. You have a great community, allot of rly nice people with a mature mind, ...
But this way of recruiting seem abit... Well yea, guess you had enough abusers to get to that conclusion yourself...
 
aT. Wic' said:
I totally agree with both posts.
Now please explain me how anyone who hasn't even bothered to join me ingame, with or without knowing me / me knowing, can judge me?
I know the whole + 1 thing is just 1 aspect of the admin approval, but it's just plain stupid aswell. And you can pretend it's "just a small aspect", cause you all know that's what you look at. There will always be exceptions!
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If a person does not have any experience with you, they should not leave any opinion in your application because they cannot base their post on anything.
Experience (both negative and positive) are to be given by those that have actual experience with you, either (preferable) on the server or on the forum.
I also believe that the term "+1" is not the correct term, but I would rather use "opinion about the person", because that is what the posts should be, and not just a mindless "+1" spam.

And please, criticism is the best feedback you can give, do not fear to hand it out as often as you want.
 
Questionable Moose said:
If a person does not have any experience with you, they should not leave any opinion in your application because they cannot base their post on anything.
Experience (both negative and positive) are to be given by those that have actual experience with you, either (preferable) on the server or on the forum.
I also believe that the term "+1" is not the correct term, but I would rather use "opinion about the person", because that is what the posts should be, and not just a mindless "+1" spam.

And please, criticism is the best feedback you can give, do not fear to hand it out as often as you want.
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Yes, I do agree with your point of view. To bad most of the active people don't...
 
Okay, I'd like to provide my reasoning for "+1-ing" Wic:
I was, as you may have figured, asked by him to post in the thread, and I didn't really give much thought about it. I agree in his opinion that a recommend system is stupid. But at the same time, I know that Wic is a very mature, responsible and level-headed person (safe for when he lights it up, but that's all good). I have full confidence that he wouldn't abuse any admin powers, regardless of the community he would have them in, or the circumstances. He has a friendly, easy-going attitude and is rarely not a joy to play/be around with.

I'd like to point out, though, that I am not a frequent player on the Skial servers. I wouldn't even be posting here if I wasn't asked by Wic. I don't know how much that matters to you, but I don't see why it would. I play on Skial whenever I join a friend playing it (such as Wic at times), but that's about it. To me, that's irrelevant. I'm confident in his administrative abilities and unbiased judgement, because I know that he possesses them. If this isn't what you mean by recommendations or vouchers or whatever you would call it, then I don't know what is.
 
Freakie said:
Okay, I'd like to provide my reasoning for "+1-ing" Wic:
I was, as you may have figured, asked by him to post in the thread, and I didn't really give much thought about it. I agree in his opinion that a recommend system is stupid. But at the same time, I know that Wic is a very mature, responsible and level-headed person (safe for when he lights it up, but that's all good). I have full confidence that he wouldn't abuse any admin powers, regardless of the community he would have them in, or the circumstances. He has a friendly, easy-going attitude and is rarely not a joy to play/be around with.

I'd like to point out, though, that I am not a frequent player on the Skial servers. I wouldn't even be posting here if I wasn't asked by Wic. I don't know how much that matters to you, but I don't see why it would. I play on Skial whenever I join a friend playing it (such as Wic at times), but that's about it. To me, that's irrelevant. I'm confident in his administrative abilities and unbiased judgement, because I know that he possesses them. If this isn't what you mean by recommendations or vouchers or whatever you would call it, then I don't know what is.
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Thx mate :)
(And no, I didn't ask anyone for this kind of post)
 
+1 for Wic :D I'm not sure if my hours on skial servers will show up here but I have 9 days+ on the servers. With this in mind I know exactly the kind of atmosphere people want from skial servers and I know that Wic can help ensure that they get it. He's a great guy and after playing for a full season on a team with him know he is completely level headed and would be a great choice for admin.
 
I don't think it matters too much if support comes from people with a lot of connection time to Skial servers. I think as long as they have known him for a bit and can vouch for his character that is the main thing.

And just because some haven't been active lately their opinion doesn't count?

This is being made into a big deal for no reason. As Wic says, we should focus on him. Not too much on the ones supporting him.

EDIT: And Wic, if you find our admin selection process dumb then you may find being and admin dumb.
 
I think it is about time to withdraw my application.

I had the same thing again today, being one of the dumb asses trying to help ppl remember the rules and getting half of the server against me. Now, I have done this countless times before, which was my main reason to apply for admin: "Making the servers a fun place to be for everyone!"

As it is obvious none of the admins on the Euro servers need help, I think this is the most logical thing to do. (Although untill today, I have only seen one online once, because of a report I made. He gave me the promise of a "good word" on my admin app...)

No hard feelings though, and thanks to everyone who supported this :)
 
Lol, and now someone puts it under review... I still think the same about it though, only applied because I like to play on Skial servers, and it's not rly fun to get half of a server against you because you are trying to help them remind the rules, which were made to ensure a fun game of tf2. And believe me, I know admins get the same amount of shit every time they have to interfere on cases like this. (Trading servers are much allike), but at least they can do something about it.

On the other hand, I am not the person to wait months before anything happens, just gives me the feeling I am not needed, trusted or wanted, which I respect. That is why I am rly thinking about just whitdrawing this whole application.
I was never here to gain anything, just wanted to help the servers out abit.
 
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