isnt it extremely easy to camp on the boxes as an engy?
if hale is competent, no; it's a tricky map but i don't think an occasionally challenging match up should be left out; some maps just require some familiarization before people can tackle them, even then it's not totally alienating like some people are making it out to be, you just have to jump better and know how to use your rage effectively. same is with some other maps like dunger and warehouse, dunger is literally impossible if the last person alive is a heavy in a ventilation duct with 100% crits.