Cream Tea
Banned
Certain admins desperately need to be removed.
I can give you their names if necessary but I think we all know who they are.
I can give you their names if necessary but I think we all know who they are.
The main issue I see with some of the admin is that they don't know when they are being baited into a fruitless argument, one that is concocted not to serve any positive change, but one simply designed to garner attention.
This shit is like watching a drunk homeless guy shouting at the pigeons, step up your game CT.
This shit is like watching a drunk homeless guy shouting at the pigeons, step up your game CT.
WhatAmI
Sufficiently Lethal Scout
It is an easter egg, but they abused said easter egg to avoid being killed by the map normally and stall the round for as long as possible, thus losing precious map time. The report's wording (since the evidence is long gone by now) shows this was clearly intentional by the players, since they left the easter egg as soon as the minigame was done. Abusing map features to gain an unfair advantage to Hale IS exploiting.
After reviewing what the user said, followed by their (the appealer's) "Yeah no rules were broken", I have to say this is a very based thing for Gala to say. If only their food could be based on something other than ketchup.I can bring up more examples. Here's an appeal from last year.
https://www.skial.com/threads/tf2-appeal-zy1.115124/
User said some edgy stuff in the chat got muted for it, fair enough. Decided to make an appeal for it, that's allowed. However things got a little heated with @gala escalating things and then giving the user a permanent ban instead of a permanent mute. Even admitting that they know it's only supposed to be a mute but that they are going to ban them anyway.
Gonna cry? I don't think that's very professional.
But really in all honesty, I think the ban was justified and telling the user to basically screw off was the right call. With how they were acting, I could tell that a mute wouldn't suffice, they'd just go right back to it after it expired. This is further proven by how they handled their appeal.
Cream Tea
Banned
@Zeo There was no need for you to pipe up in this appeal: https://www.skial.com/threads/tf2-appeal-g2cobra.121462/
It had already been handled properly by @Feral Angel . You're just trying to start more trouble.
It had already been handled properly by @Feral Angel . You're just trying to start more trouble.
Cream Tea
Banned
Considering I'm the one who created the map I think I am in a position to say whether it was exploiting or not and I'm telling you it wasn't. At worst it could be considered griefing if they were using it to delay.
Cream Tea
Banned
Quite frankly it doesn't matter whether you think it was justified or not. The guidelines are there and admins are meant to follow them regardless of how much they dislike the user. When you start ignoring the guidelines and giving people permanent bans just because you don't like them you have officially become a badmin.
And we had this discussion about this area being used for exploiting and you said the motivator should kill them moving out of that zone if its the map i am thinking off - No way would anyone consider a map feature to bypass the game to sit there - Needs to be fixed or removed then if its not up to standard
Cream Tea
Banned
I did fix that spot. The only time the easter egg can ever be considered a problem is during a freerun when the players reach the end long before the motivator starts meaning players can potentially delay for a few minutes. Being able to hide up there for a short amount of time during the minigames was always the original intention since you would have to join the minigame when the motivator comes but that was before I added the freerun button. I have had suggestions to increase the speed of the motivator which would mean anybody standing up there wouldn't be able to stay up for long but I'm not sure if I'm interested anymore.
Hello, I normally don’t talk in these types of things but just wanted to give my 2 cents. Decently long, tho.
For context and to preface, I exclusively play Skial combat surf and no other mode on Skial. The server has been left fairly "unmoderated" for a while since the time I joined in May 2024 as Skial staff don’t play the mode much apart from LizzieSteph who visits from time to time and I think I saw Dotka once or twice. From the time I’ve played on Skial surf I can’t help but notice one thing.
There’s a pretty big stigma in general that I’ve felt going on that a lot of people think Skial staff are bad because they are too strict/harsh among other things.
Now where’s my position in all of this: I just go by word of ear, and I must admit, what I mentioned was a bit so bad that the first time I met my first ever Skial admin/staff Lizz I legit had the fear “what if I get muted if I said something wrong, even if it isn’t to me?”. This is something I said to myself when I’m someone that adheres to the rules on Skial quite well and is conscious about them consistently, both in chat and in vc. And if I see someone break a rule on the server I tell them hey this is a rule, try not to break it please, even if I’m not a mod, of which I always clarify if asked, but people know me and trust me enough in the community to do this. And note, I know that not everyone who complains about staff will all have good intentions. There will be certain audiences that got banned or muted at least rightfully so enough and will join in the sentiment mixed in. But to reach this degree, that it’s gotten to get myself to ask that question to myself once, on a server that barely has staff ever come in, says something. And I don’t normally let myself become “biased” just because of what a few people say once or twice. This is an ongoing thing and it’s been ongoing for a while, and I’m sure this isn’t only found in the Skial surf server and is probably mentioned on a couple of other Skial servers as well.
To offer extra context: I am the co-owner of the Unofficial Skial Surf Discord server (back when the surf channel didn’t exist in May 2024 of this year the server was made) and one of the biggest promotors of the Official Skial surf discord channel to help the mode grow as a whole now that the channel has been restored since new combat surf maps are being made.
Do you have any clue as to how many people have declined joining these communities just because they have “Skial” in the name? Even when they’re clearly enjoying the TF2 Skial server (why would they be there if they didn’t?). I ask them why, and you can already guess their response. “Skial bad” among other things, even if they’re regulars on the server. This is something I don’t like, don’t appreciate, and try to correct among the people that share this sentiment there (since after all, it’s against the rules, technically). LizzieSteph is the most prime example of a good admin/Skial staff that I’ve had the pleasure of meeting and seeing live on a Skial server, and this is from her only semi-frequenting the server. I’ve seen how she handles rules on the server, how she interacts with the community, and the consensus is clear: practically everyone likes her on Skial surf and enjoys her being there. Seeing this was like breaking the norm for me. “I was convinced Skial staff bad, when clearly that is not the case”. But then I hear the next phrase from people. “Skial staff bad, but Lizzie is chill.” I’m now only faced with one conclusion.
What’s going on in the other servers where Skial staff are clearly more involved with their communities that this is the conclusion they end up bringing over when they join over to Skial surf? You can say every single rule breaker is banding together to form this opinion collectively, but when it’s people that have never been muted before mentioning this on the server, and when it’s me who hasn’t really broken any rules and on the contrary, try to promote a positive image for Skial so the community can grow as a whole in surf more, you really have to question, “what’s going on?” This is where my on-hand experience on the matter technically reaches an end, since I do not visit other Skial communities since I only play combat surf, but it doesn’t deter importance away from the matter.
I feel like the consensus that Skial should change internally is something that’s a bit strong by now, and this is me coming from basically an “unmoderated” server. I’m not saying in favor as to how or why specifically it should. But I’d love to be able to mention Skial’s name to people without the thought of them possibly thinking “oh it’s that strict community” and instead immediately think “oh it’s one of the biggest and best tf2 servers/communities out there that I also enjoy frequenting”.
I recently saw a big thing occurring on Skial: previously perma-muted players are “randomly” coming back out of their mutes. The biggest I have to mention, the “Skial surf celebrity”: Tango Mike Mike, the #1 ranked player in Skial custom servers. Ever since his perma-mute a lot of people weren’t really in favor of it. There are ofc some “haters” of him, but his fans outweigh them imo. A few days ago back then, people say hi to him all the time but to only be greeted by silence that makes them think “did he ignore me?” to only be confirmed by someone else he’s muted, only to be greeted by disappointment as one of their favorite players of the surf server can’t talk anymore. But now, people are being greeted by one thing. “TANGO MIKE MIKE WAS UNMUTED??”. So many people are happy because of this one change. And I read this one time from him. “THE SKIAL GODS HAVE PARDONED TANGO!”. And I’m like, wow. This is it. This is what I’ve been wanting to see. Even if technically he was perma-muted for breaking the rules in a way, for the first time collectively I’m starting to see a change. “You can’t say Skial is bad when they’re doing things the community wants”. I appreciate the internal changes that are going on. I also appreciate the attention the server has been getting to be getting added new maps and new server features like bhop and the attention to detail the feature has taken.
However, to some that might or might not be enough to change the connotation that to some the Skial name/branding has as being “bad” or “strict”. I’m glad things seem to be changing now, but would not mind at all if they changed further for the greater good of Skial’s image. Again, I’m not saying in particular what should or should not change set in stone, but I can’t turn a blind eye to people enjoying these new changes.
I must however, take notice of what’s happened here on this thread, and not turn a blind eye to it as well.
In regards to the user Monkey [DDV] mentioned here, why was this user permitted to continue slandering Skial staff in the forums when it was clear this is what he’d continue doing? Why was his punishment on the TF2 server extended if he’s rule breaking on the forums instead of him just getting a forum ban or mute which is clearly what he deserved? His mute appears now on the sourcebans as permanently muted for micspamming by Kalash. Was he micspamming this bad? Was the evidence this big against him? And if so, why wasn’t it shown to him so the topic could be put to rest with him? Yes he was being rude as fuck to Skial staff in more than one way. But why disregard an actual concern a Skial user had on one topic while only concentrating entirely on the other. The sourcebans now show he’s just permanently muted for micspamming by Kalash of which it does not seem genuine to someone who’s looking up that record if they want to see what happened when looking outside of the forums. I don’t know, this user who clearly wasn’t respectful for staff clearly didn’t deserve the right to continue commenting on the forums, but if he truly did not break any rules in the TF2 server apart from the micspam, of which he didn’t get any conformation formally for on the forum post, his punishment should have reflected the rules he actually did break, in my opinion, and should have been presented as so, to avoid confusion to him and to anyone else reading on this case externally.
In regards to the user Soy, why was this user permanently banned from playing TF2 Skial if his rule breaking was all accountable only for speech he has said? Was he griefing or friendlying excessively to warrant not being able to play Skial TF2 anymore? I’m more than aware he’s an evil person from the humor he likes to spread on TF2 Skial. But if he can’t really speak anymore, was there a need to formally take him out of this community? And why wasn’t he explained formally as to why he was taken out and what rule he broke to be taken out entirely? Clarification on this wouldn’t have hurt.
In regards to the users for exploiting that DR map: I don’t play DR so I can’t offer feedback there. But I and others have been threatened for “using wall hacks” and “going behind walls on surf maps” on Skial surf when really it’s a map feature on Rainbow created and intended by the mapper who did it which is actually popular map and other maps on there as well. I wouldn’t doubt if there was some formal report on someone because of this since not everyone knows map features and secrets by memory. But this is from just beating the main surf/bonus of the map which are done in a linear fashion, so anyone who’s beaten the map knows this as common knowledge by now. I don’t know if on DR this issue was something similar, but clarification on that, if it was an actual feature of the map or a harmful exploit, potentially explained by the original mapper as well and regulars of DR would help a lot in this case so no further questions can be asked on it. I saw one person here mention it. If it is true it is a bad exploit punishable by staff, it should be mentioned by staff so they can properly warn players to never do it again. Some exploits aren’t really obvious they can be detrimental to the mode, while some can be oblivious to the fact while causing said harm. I only hope clarification was made on this with some proper evidence the users were warned of this before being punished. Considering Cream Tea, a DR regular brought into question this, puts me in doubt if the report on them wasn’t clear enough on this manner.
From what I can tell of the above two users I mentioned apart from DR: they deserved punishment on Skial, rightfully so, for breaking Skial rules. But can they now go onto other servers or friends to tell them “I got permanently muted on Skial for micspam and I never even micspammed.” “Who did it?” “2 admins”. On the other case: “I got permanently banned from playing TF2 Skial for asking to be unmuted for my humor” “Damn are they that rough with appeals? Wow”.
These are things that users punished from this community shouldn’t be able to say, should have the clear evidence it is not as how they say it is, and only drags down the name of Skial as to how they handle their rules. Yes, they broke rules. We’re all witnesses to that here. But can someone who sees this with the context of what actually happened conclude they’re misrepresenting what has happened to them? Not entirely. Imagine if these users had friends who have never broken a rule before hear this. You can now see the conclusion I’m going to reach. From these two examples above, I can see how someone that’s never broken a rule before on Skial gets up feeling this way about Skial when they’ve personally never had issues with it. And this shouldn’t be like this. You guys host one of the biggest TF2 communities ever made. More respect should come to the Skial name. And I feel if these cases with these people were treated differently, you’d have 2 less people who would slander the Skial name. But instead there’s 2 more that will do in fact the opposite, even when they have wronged Skial themselves. I feel like something similar to this might be what’s going on if really things have gotten to a point I can’t invite people to join the Official Skial server without them thinking “Ew, Skial” when they’re joining in the server.
In conclusion to my post: I hope Skial remains one of the biggest communities TF2 has ever had, but all the while hearing to community feedback on how they can improve more. There are some internal changes already going on that are being seen in favor of quite good for the community, and that’s a good to hear for many, many people. As for the rule breakers: let them be punished for the rules they break, let them be properly reported for as well, but it would be best if they had 0 food to slander Skial’s name for things they can end up shaping in their favor to slander them if something wasn't done ideally. Because like them there will be other similar cases like these. They’ll still try it anyways, but the more transparency comes in punishments like these, the better for the Skial community. I am thankful for this community and especially for the Skial surf server, and hope it thrives along with the other modes more. And hope my feedback on the manner can help Skial in any way. Thank you for reading.
P.S: and shoutout to Lizz, Gala and ofc Bottiger for helping to inform me and other players of Skial rules in regards to surf and how they’re handled. Cheers.
For context and to preface, I exclusively play Skial combat surf and no other mode on Skial. The server has been left fairly "unmoderated" for a while since the time I joined in May 2024 as Skial staff don’t play the mode much apart from LizzieSteph who visits from time to time and I think I saw Dotka once or twice. From the time I’ve played on Skial surf I can’t help but notice one thing.
There’s a pretty big stigma in general that I’ve felt going on that a lot of people think Skial staff are bad because they are too strict/harsh among other things.
Now where’s my position in all of this: I just go by word of ear, and I must admit, what I mentioned was a bit so bad that the first time I met my first ever Skial admin/staff Lizz I legit had the fear “what if I get muted if I said something wrong, even if it isn’t to me?”. This is something I said to myself when I’m someone that adheres to the rules on Skial quite well and is conscious about them consistently, both in chat and in vc. And if I see someone break a rule on the server I tell them hey this is a rule, try not to break it please, even if I’m not a mod, of which I always clarify if asked, but people know me and trust me enough in the community to do this. And note, I know that not everyone who complains about staff will all have good intentions. There will be certain audiences that got banned or muted at least rightfully so enough and will join in the sentiment mixed in. But to reach this degree, that it’s gotten to get myself to ask that question to myself once, on a server that barely has staff ever come in, says something. And I don’t normally let myself become “biased” just because of what a few people say once or twice. This is an ongoing thing and it’s been ongoing for a while, and I’m sure this isn’t only found in the Skial surf server and is probably mentioned on a couple of other Skial servers as well.
To offer extra context: I am the co-owner of the Unofficial Skial Surf Discord server (back when the surf channel didn’t exist in May 2024 of this year the server was made) and one of the biggest promotors of the Official Skial surf discord channel to help the mode grow as a whole now that the channel has been restored since new combat surf maps are being made.
Do you have any clue as to how many people have declined joining these communities just because they have “Skial” in the name? Even when they’re clearly enjoying the TF2 Skial server (why would they be there if they didn’t?). I ask them why, and you can already guess their response. “Skial bad” among other things, even if they’re regulars on the server. This is something I don’t like, don’t appreciate, and try to correct among the people that share this sentiment there (since after all, it’s against the rules, technically). LizzieSteph is the most prime example of a good admin/Skial staff that I’ve had the pleasure of meeting and seeing live on a Skial server, and this is from her only semi-frequenting the server. I’ve seen how she handles rules on the server, how she interacts with the community, and the consensus is clear: practically everyone likes her on Skial surf and enjoys her being there. Seeing this was like breaking the norm for me. “I was convinced Skial staff bad, when clearly that is not the case”. But then I hear the next phrase from people. “Skial staff bad, but Lizzie is chill.” I’m now only faced with one conclusion.
What’s going on in the other servers where Skial staff are clearly more involved with their communities that this is the conclusion they end up bringing over when they join over to Skial surf? You can say every single rule breaker is banding together to form this opinion collectively, but when it’s people that have never been muted before mentioning this on the server, and when it’s me who hasn’t really broken any rules and on the contrary, try to promote a positive image for Skial so the community can grow as a whole in surf more, you really have to question, “what’s going on?” This is where my on-hand experience on the matter technically reaches an end, since I do not visit other Skial communities since I only play combat surf, but it doesn’t deter importance away from the matter.
I feel like the consensus that Skial should change internally is something that’s a bit strong by now, and this is me coming from basically an “unmoderated” server. I’m not saying in favor as to how or why specifically it should. But I’d love to be able to mention Skial’s name to people without the thought of them possibly thinking “oh it’s that strict community” and instead immediately think “oh it’s one of the biggest and best tf2 servers/communities out there that I also enjoy frequenting”.
I recently saw a big thing occurring on Skial: previously perma-muted players are “randomly” coming back out of their mutes. The biggest I have to mention, the “Skial surf celebrity”: Tango Mike Mike, the #1 ranked player in Skial custom servers. Ever since his perma-mute a lot of people weren’t really in favor of it. There are ofc some “haters” of him, but his fans outweigh them imo. A few days ago back then, people say hi to him all the time but to only be greeted by silence that makes them think “did he ignore me?” to only be confirmed by someone else he’s muted, only to be greeted by disappointment as one of their favorite players of the surf server can’t talk anymore. But now, people are being greeted by one thing. “TANGO MIKE MIKE WAS UNMUTED??”. So many people are happy because of this one change. And I read this one time from him. “THE SKIAL GODS HAVE PARDONED TANGO!”. And I’m like, wow. This is it. This is what I’ve been wanting to see. Even if technically he was perma-muted for breaking the rules in a way, for the first time collectively I’m starting to see a change. “You can’t say Skial is bad when they’re doing things the community wants”. I appreciate the internal changes that are going on. I also appreciate the attention the server has been getting to be getting added new maps and new server features like bhop and the attention to detail the feature has taken.
However, to some that might or might not be enough to change the connotation that to some the Skial name/branding has as being “bad” or “strict”. I’m glad things seem to be changing now, but would not mind at all if they changed further for the greater good of Skial’s image. Again, I’m not saying in particular what should or should not change set in stone, but I can’t turn a blind eye to people enjoying these new changes.
I must however, take notice of what’s happened here on this thread, and not turn a blind eye to it as well.
In regards to the user Monkey [DDV] mentioned here, why was this user permitted to continue slandering Skial staff in the forums when it was clear this is what he’d continue doing? Why was his punishment on the TF2 server extended if he’s rule breaking on the forums instead of him just getting a forum ban or mute which is clearly what he deserved? His mute appears now on the sourcebans as permanently muted for micspamming by Kalash. Was he micspamming this bad? Was the evidence this big against him? And if so, why wasn’t it shown to him so the topic could be put to rest with him? Yes he was being rude as fuck to Skial staff in more than one way. But why disregard an actual concern a Skial user had on one topic while only concentrating entirely on the other. The sourcebans now show he’s just permanently muted for micspamming by Kalash of which it does not seem genuine to someone who’s looking up that record if they want to see what happened when looking outside of the forums. I don’t know, this user who clearly wasn’t respectful for staff clearly didn’t deserve the right to continue commenting on the forums, but if he truly did not break any rules in the TF2 server apart from the micspam, of which he didn’t get any conformation formally for on the forum post, his punishment should have reflected the rules he actually did break, in my opinion, and should have been presented as so, to avoid confusion to him and to anyone else reading on this case externally.
In regards to the user Soy, why was this user permanently banned from playing TF2 Skial if his rule breaking was all accountable only for speech he has said? Was he griefing or friendlying excessively to warrant not being able to play Skial TF2 anymore? I’m more than aware he’s an evil person from the humor he likes to spread on TF2 Skial. But if he can’t really speak anymore, was there a need to formally take him out of this community? And why wasn’t he explained formally as to why he was taken out and what rule he broke to be taken out entirely? Clarification on this wouldn’t have hurt.
In regards to the users for exploiting that DR map: I don’t play DR so I can’t offer feedback there. But I and others have been threatened for “using wall hacks” and “going behind walls on surf maps” on Skial surf when really it’s a map feature on Rainbow created and intended by the mapper who did it which is actually popular map and other maps on there as well. I wouldn’t doubt if there was some formal report on someone because of this since not everyone knows map features and secrets by memory. But this is from just beating the main surf/bonus of the map which are done in a linear fashion, so anyone who’s beaten the map knows this as common knowledge by now. I don’t know if on DR this issue was something similar, but clarification on that, if it was an actual feature of the map or a harmful exploit, potentially explained by the original mapper as well and regulars of DR would help a lot in this case so no further questions can be asked on it. I saw one person here mention it. If it is true it is a bad exploit punishable by staff, it should be mentioned by staff so they can properly warn players to never do it again. Some exploits aren’t really obvious they can be detrimental to the mode, while some can be oblivious to the fact while causing said harm. I only hope clarification was made on this with some proper evidence the users were warned of this before being punished. Considering Cream Tea, a DR regular brought into question this, puts me in doubt if the report on them wasn’t clear enough on this manner.
From what I can tell of the above two users I mentioned apart from DR: they deserved punishment on Skial, rightfully so, for breaking Skial rules. But can they now go onto other servers or friends to tell them “I got permanently muted on Skial for micspam and I never even micspammed.” “Who did it?” “2 admins”. On the other case: “I got permanently banned from playing TF2 Skial for asking to be unmuted for my humor” “Damn are they that rough with appeals? Wow”.
These are things that users punished from this community shouldn’t be able to say, should have the clear evidence it is not as how they say it is, and only drags down the name of Skial as to how they handle their rules. Yes, they broke rules. We’re all witnesses to that here. But can someone who sees this with the context of what actually happened conclude they’re misrepresenting what has happened to them? Not entirely. Imagine if these users had friends who have never broken a rule before hear this. You can now see the conclusion I’m going to reach. From these two examples above, I can see how someone that’s never broken a rule before on Skial gets up feeling this way about Skial when they’ve personally never had issues with it. And this shouldn’t be like this. You guys host one of the biggest TF2 communities ever made. More respect should come to the Skial name. And I feel if these cases with these people were treated differently, you’d have 2 less people who would slander the Skial name. But instead there’s 2 more that will do in fact the opposite, even when they have wronged Skial themselves. I feel like something similar to this might be what’s going on if really things have gotten to a point I can’t invite people to join the Official Skial server without them thinking “Ew, Skial” when they’re joining in the server.
In conclusion to my post: I hope Skial remains one of the biggest communities TF2 has ever had, but all the while hearing to community feedback on how they can improve more. There are some internal changes already going on that are being seen in favor of quite good for the community, and that’s a good to hear for many, many people. As for the rule breakers: let them be punished for the rules they break, let them be properly reported for as well, but it would be best if they had 0 food to slander Skial’s name for things they can end up shaping in their favor to slander them if something wasn't done ideally. Because like them there will be other similar cases like these. They’ll still try it anyways, but the more transparency comes in punishments like these, the better for the Skial community. I am thankful for this community and especially for the Skial surf server, and hope it thrives along with the other modes more. And hope my feedback on the manner can help Skial in any way. Thank you for reading.
P.S: and shoutout to Lizz, Gala and ofc Bottiger for helping to inform me and other players of Skial rules in regards to surf and how they’re handled. Cheers.
Cream Tea
Banned
From my perspective two main changes really need to happen:
I remember when permanent bans were reserved for hackers or extreme circumstances. If you really must then give them another month ban but there is absolutely no need to ban them permanently. I assure you nobody on deathrun is thinking "I'm so glad @Magilec is permanently banned for doing the funny!". When you permanently ban core members of the community it leads to the death of the server. It's not like the 2fort server where you can rely on more randoms joining to take their place. Deathrun is a niche gamemode and it relies on regular players who know each other and quite a percentage of server donators are deathrun players so you are shooting yourselves in the foot by continuing like this.
- Server specific reports are handled by their associated server admins (For example: reports involving exploiting on a deathrun map would be best judged by a dedicated deathrun admin)
- Punishments are not stupidly excessive especially for harmless offenses (There is no need to permanently ban a player because they typed retry in console during a humiliation)
I remember when permanent bans were reserved for hackers or extreme circumstances. If you really must then give them another month ban but there is absolutely no need to ban them permanently. I assure you nobody on deathrun is thinking "I'm so glad @Magilec is permanently banned for doing the funny!". When you permanently ban core members of the community it leads to the death of the server. It's not like the 2fort server where you can rely on more randoms joining to take their place. Deathrun is a niche gamemode and it relies on regular players who know each other and quite a percentage of server donators are deathrun players so you are shooting yourselves in the foot by continuing like this.
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Tango Mike Mike
Somewhat Threatening Sniper
Well said Omega! Tango sincerely appreciates all you have done to keep the fun alive in the Skial community. There are many great people that come to Skial surf server and I have had a pleasure of making friends with many. Keep up the great work that you doing, and slowly more and more people will be coming back to Skial because of efforts like yours and Lizz, Gala, and others to name a few. Peace to all
Cream Tea, your concerns about certain admins not adhering to guidelines and administering excessive punishments are not unfounded. I applaud your efforts to bring these issues to light and initiate a conversation around potential reforms. The role of an admin in any community is to maintain order, enforce rules, and serve as a neutral arbiter to preserve the spirit of fair play. In this pursuit, it is crucial that they understand the difference between intended features and exploits.
In the case of the deathrun map, while we can appreciate the creator's intent behind the easter egg, it is essential to consider how its use can adversely affect gameplay. A perfect balance between allowing creativity and maintaining the integrity of the game is what separates a good map from one prone to abuse. As you suggested, either removing or altering the area might be necessary if it leads to undesirable outcomes like delay during freeruns.
Your call for server-specific reports to be handled by admins from those servers resonates with many players. Specialization allows for a deeper understanding of the nuances of each game mode, leading to better adjudication. It is disheartening that the once reserved practice of permanent bans for hackers has expanded to cover minor offenses. This not only tarnishes the community image but also drains it of valuable members who contribute to its vibrancy.
The Skial Surf community, although less moderated, serves as an excellent example of what can happen when admins engage positively with their audience. LizzieSteph's positive reception illustrates the impact of approachable, fair, and empathetic moderation. OmegaMalkior's contribution sheds light on how the actions of some admins can create a negative perception of Skial beyond their respective servers. Transparency and fair punishment are the keys to upholding the reputation of a community as large and influential as Skial.
The recent move to unban Tango Mike Mike demonstrates the willingness to reconsider harsher decisions. This is a step in the right direction and a testament to the internal changes that have been occurring within Skial. Moving forward, it would behoove administrators to carefully document the reasons for punishments and communicate them effectively. Misinformation spread by those who feel wronged can lead to skewed perceptions about Skial's standards.
It is imperative that Skial continues to evolve in response to feedback and grows more considerate of its diverse communities. The trust and loyalty of long-time contributors should remain a priority. By refining their methods, admins can ensure a harmonious environment where players can enjoy Skial's offerings without fear of excessive sanctions or unfair treatment. In doing so, Skial will maintain and nurture its loyal following while attracting newcomers who value fairness and transparency.
In conclusion, Cream Tea, your thread has served to highlight some concerns that need addressing. It showcases the ongoing commitment of players like you, OmegaMalkior, and others, who strive to see Skial thrive. Acknowledging these issues and fostering an open dialogue is crucial for growth and sustenance. I urge the Skial administration to listen to these voices and embrace the spirit of reform to continue providing a top-tier experience for all its members.
In the case of the deathrun map, while we can appreciate the creator's intent behind the easter egg, it is essential to consider how its use can adversely affect gameplay. A perfect balance between allowing creativity and maintaining the integrity of the game is what separates a good map from one prone to abuse. As you suggested, either removing or altering the area might be necessary if it leads to undesirable outcomes like delay during freeruns.
Your call for server-specific reports to be handled by admins from those servers resonates with many players. Specialization allows for a deeper understanding of the nuances of each game mode, leading to better adjudication. It is disheartening that the once reserved practice of permanent bans for hackers has expanded to cover minor offenses. This not only tarnishes the community image but also drains it of valuable members who contribute to its vibrancy.
The Skial Surf community, although less moderated, serves as an excellent example of what can happen when admins engage positively with their audience. LizzieSteph's positive reception illustrates the impact of approachable, fair, and empathetic moderation. OmegaMalkior's contribution sheds light on how the actions of some admins can create a negative perception of Skial beyond their respective servers. Transparency and fair punishment are the keys to upholding the reputation of a community as large and influential as Skial.
The recent move to unban Tango Mike Mike demonstrates the willingness to reconsider harsher decisions. This is a step in the right direction and a testament to the internal changes that have been occurring within Skial. Moving forward, it would behoove administrators to carefully document the reasons for punishments and communicate them effectively. Misinformation spread by those who feel wronged can lead to skewed perceptions about Skial's standards.
It is imperative that Skial continues to evolve in response to feedback and grows more considerate of its diverse communities. The trust and loyalty of long-time contributors should remain a priority. By refining their methods, admins can ensure a harmonious environment where players can enjoy Skial's offerings without fear of excessive sanctions or unfair treatment. In doing so, Skial will maintain and nurture its loyal following while attracting newcomers who value fairness and transparency.
In conclusion, Cream Tea, your thread has served to highlight some concerns that need addressing. It showcases the ongoing commitment of players like you, OmegaMalkior, and others, who strive to see Skial thrive. Acknowledging these issues and fostering an open dialogue is crucial for growth and sustenance. I urge the Skial administration to listen to these voices and embrace the spirit of reform to continue providing a top-tier experience for all its members.
I agree that a permanent mute in the servers for monkey is not appropriate. His server mute is set to a week and he is instead banned from the forums.
Myrshine
Uncharitable Spy
Only thing I agree with is that maybe Skial could use an admin overhaul or at least a list of all the admins/mods for whatever servers that they have administration on because even I who’s been in the Skial community for years, I don’t even know who most the admins/mods are. I’d be happy to help by making a list of each admin/mod and what servers they watch over if allowed! :)
Sore
Spectacularly Lethal Soldier
There used to be a full list of admins, but it's not updated and most people won't really care
Only other servers would care (probably) though
Couldn't people just like look on the discord to see all the active admins?
Cream Tea
Banned
Why not? There used to be a list in the form of the Skial admin steam group.