Declined Scramble Immediately

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kryps

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I searched these forums, and found: http://www.skial.com/threads/scramble-now-option.19225/ There is discussion in that thread, but I see no clear solid answer as to why the suggestion was rejected.

When both teams agree that a scramble is needed, they shouldn't be forced to continue playing an unscrambled round. Right? Why continue playing the round as unscrambled? It's kind of pointless to play the round because we're all waiting for the round to end so that the scramble can take place.

Why not scramble/restart the round immediately? Both teams agreed on a scramble; so, it wouldn't hurt.

The worst is when the scramble vote takes place on round 3 of Gold Rush, and everyone has to be forced to play an unscrambled game on the last round of Gold Rush, because of course they lose and the map restarts instead of giving both teams a fresh start and giving red team a fresh chance to hold up against blue on the last round of Gold Rush. It wouldn't ruin the game for Blue, because both teams agreed on the scramble and thus the previous 2 rounds of Gold Rush should be considered invalid anyways.

I feel that--even though an immediate scramble interrupts the game by restarting it in the middle of the match--it's still warranted because both teams voted/agreed to it anyways. Once a scramble vote passes, it's pointless to continue playing that round as unscrambled waiting for the scramble to happen on the next round.

Sorry if this is a dupe request/suggestion.
 
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People usually request it when I'm playing 2fort, it would be weird for the entire round to end on the spot. Even if it were to not end and just have the teams be scrambled, a lot of people would bitch.
 
I agree. People will bitch, and I agree that not always true that both teams agreed. I just figured that if the scramble vote passed, then it's going to happen regardless, so technically it should happen immediately. But, I see your side of the coin as well. Heh.
 
Would it be possible to do an immediate scramble if a % threshold of yes votes is reached, and an end of round scramble if the vote is yes but with a lower % met?
Would this be a good compromise? would it be possible to set the plug in up like this?
 
-1, doesn't scramble force the round to restart?
I'd rather play full rounds with stacked teams and get a later scramble than to have to play point one over and fucking over again.
I think most people would agree
 
in my opinion it'll just make things worse than before. for example: i'm red engie on badwater, i'm defending first point as good as possible and bam! i'm blu now. i get frustrated. rq.
 
If you scramble on badwater you basically get a free push for about 30 seconds lol. Also, If a team is holding a choke point incredibly well with engies heavy/meds etc all the buildings will get destroyed and get the attacking team the advantage

Also, imagine getting 100% uber, about to kill the entire team and you get swapped lol
 
In most of the times that I've witnessed it, scramble just makes the teams even more stacked, so I don't really have an opinion or whether it gets changed/stays the same. But I will agree that people will bitch about it.
 
I'm still not seeing a clear solid answer as to why scrambling immediately is bad rather scrambling at the end of the round. Some of you here are just complaining about scramble period, and that's not what this thread is about. The scramble vote passed, you see? Scramble is going to happen regardless because the vote passed, so, I'm just saying that it's pointless for everyone to continue playing the round when a scramble vote was just passed; the scramble should take effect immediately.

If it's sooo bad, then people will simply learn from that and next time a scramble vote is placed they will vote no more frequently.
 
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I agree with the more stacked consensus. In my experience, scramble 9 times out of 10 makes the balance much much worse.
I'd say leave it as it is.
 
Again, we're not talking about the side effects of a scramble in general. We're talking about whether a scramble takes place immediately or at the end of the round once a scramble vote passes.

If you don't like scramble in general, then start a new thread about "Remove Scramble", because that's not what we're talking about here. Take your balancing concerns to that thread, because those concerns are irrelevant here in this thread.
 
kryps said:
I'm still not seeing a clear solid answer as to why scrambling immediately is bad rather scrambling at the end of the round. Some of you here are just complaining about scramble period, and that's not what this thread is about. The scramble vote passed, you see? Scramble is going to happen regardless because the vote passed, so, I'm just saying that it's pointless for everyone to continue playing the round when a scramble vote was just passed; the scramble should take effect immediately.

If it's sooo bad, then people will simply learn from that and next time a scramble vote is placed they will vote no more frequently.
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See what Da_Jinks said:

Da_Jinks said:
There is so many situations that gameplay can get ruined by this. -1
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It may not be a official mod answer from someone like Bottiger, but what he (Jinks) said and people not wanting to end a round in session (even if the teams are stacked) is only going to piss people off even more generally speaking.

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We know this thread isn't about how bad scrambles can be, we get that. But you seem to be missing the point; doing what you're suggesting will only make it worse than it already is, not better which is why so many people are against it.
 
"There is so many situations that gameplay can get ruined by this. -1"

Such a vague statement, though.

Isn't gameplay already ruined, hence the fact that a scramble vote was placed in the first place? If it's so bad that gameplay is ruined, then people will learn from that and vote "no" the next time.

You know what? Forget it. I can see where this is going, so, I'll save you all the trouble and I'll just give up. You can mark this thread as Declined, and let's all move on now...

My point still stands though; when a scramble vote passes, it's pointless to continue playing the round.

Good day.
 
kryps said:
"There is so many situations that gameplay can get ruined by this. -1"

Such a vague statement, though.

Isn't gameplay already ruined, hence the fact that a scramble vote was placed in the first place? If it's so bad that gameplay is ruined, then people will learn from that and vote "no" the next time.

You know what? Forget it. I can see where this is going, so, I'll save you all the trouble and I'll just give up. You can mark this thread as Declined, and let's all move on now...

My point still stands though; when a scramble vote passes, it's pointless to continue playing the round.

Good day.
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there have been tons of reasons given
Giildy said:
-1, doesn't scramble force the round to restart?
I'd rather play full rounds with stacked teams and get a later scramble than to have to play point one over and fucking over again.
I think most people would agree
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Pinker-tan said:
If you scramble on badwater you basically get a free push for about 30 seconds lol. Also, If a team is holding a choke point incredibly well with engies heavy/meds etc all the buildings will get destroyed and get the attacking team the advantage

Also, imagine getting 100% uber, about to kill the entire team and you get swapped lol
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Vidanjor said:
in my opinion it'll just make things worse than before. for example: i'm red engie on badwater, i'm defending first point as good as possible and bam! i'm blu now. i get frustrated. rq.
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most of the reasons given are frustration reasons.
It's like the defenders on pl would never get a chance to win, or you'd never have a chance to get a feel for who on your team is worth suporting

but ya, it has been declined so w/e
 
Just played gold rush several times last night, and it was so funny--several times a vote scramble was made and passed but did not scramble immediately. So, everyone continues playing, having fun, and the blue team wins--and now we're on round 3 and Red team says "don't worry, we'll get em this time" and Blue team says "we got this" and then BAM suddenly the scramble happens, and everyone was like "wtf?"

Funny, because I thought of this thread and how wrong all of you are. :)

Had the scramble happened immediately, then there would've been no "wtf?" moments.
 
kryps said:
Just played gold rush several times last night, and it was so funny--several times a vote scramble was made and passed but did not scramble immediately. So, everyone continues playing, having fun, and the blue team wins--and now we're on round 3 and Red team says "don't worry, we'll get em this time" and Blue team says "we got this" and then BAM suddenly the scramble happens, and everyone was like "wtf?"

Funny, because I thought of this thread and how wrong all of you are. :)

Had the scramble happened immediately, then there would've been no "wtf?" moments.
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I doubt it. Because if the scramble happened immediately, no one would have known about the update. The regular scramble has been around for ages. If we accepted this thread, then the scramble happening immediately would have set people off, because no one would know about the update cept you and some people who have posted here. Proved you wrong again.

-Bacon Master
 
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