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MijetGummiBear said:
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What does that mean? Mewtwo vs M2K? I'm confused.
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I said Mewtwo was bad in smash 4

Kyle said he was good, and then decided to use a very biased video from a completely different game. The guy playing Mewtwo is known as Mewtwoking, and he's the best Melee player. He doesn't play Mewtwo though, the video Kyle posted was just him fucking around.
 
http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/32oh35/super_smash_bros_4_v106_patch_notes_compilation/


DEFINITIONS

  • (UNCONFIRMED) = more testing/users are need to verify. It may or may not be true.
  • CONFIRMED = this is a patch note change that's been confirmed by more than 1 user.
  • BUSTED = this is a false patch note and is not true.
  • "whiffs" = misses
  • If I find out a patch note was the same as v1.0.5, it will simply be removed as it is not a "new" feature. Also, this is the best available information I have, so it will NOT be 100% until we all put the effort in to figure out each and every move. Thanks Nintendo! ಠ_ಠ
Menu/Game/Misc. Updates:
  • C-Stick moves the CSS like Melee BUSTED
  • The CSS Screen has been remapped CONFIRMED
  • Names/Tags Stay on Controller Ports on WiiU when switching modes CONFIRMED
  • "Save replay" dialog box now defaults to "OK" instead of "Cancel" CONFIRMED
  • CPU AI Increased/Balanced - Lvl. 9 AI aren't as good at airdodging but are much better at spotdodging and edgeguarding. Now they can drop down to the ledge and attack as you recover CONFIRMED
  • CPUs will now do a Smash Attack if you break your shield as opposed to a random attack BUSTED
  • Wii U - after setting up amiibo to farm: The gamepad no longer shows the character screen in consecutive matches if you have turned it off in the first one, it goes right to the fight. CONFIRMED
  • Mewtwo appears in Stage 3 of All-Star Mode ONLY IF YOU BOUGHT/REDEEMED HIM CONFIRMED
  • Any replay from 1.0.5 will NOT be playable in the Replay Viewer CONFIRMED
  • New Sound Effects + Ryu(?) (UNCONFIRMED)
  • A+B = Smash (CAN BE TURNED ON/OFF) CONFIRMED
  • You can now turn off rumble for all controllers instead of having to do so with names. CONFIRMED
  • DLC Credits added CONFIRMED
  • Mewtwo Sounds added to Sound Test CONFIRMED
  • Mewtwo has 3 trophies: the Alternate, the character trophy from Classic, and the Final Smash from All-Star.CONFIRMED
  • The "Zoom" camera option in Training mode nerfed so now the camera doesn't zoom as much (UNCONFIRMED)
  • The Character's death sounds are louder (UNCONFIRMED)
  • When playing FG, if you don't press a button before the countdown (i.e., you went away from 3DS after match), you will be automatically disconnected CONFIRMED
  • In the eShop tutorial there seems to be a new icon for the 3DS with no buttons, presumably because there's no standard button arrangement (now thanks to the New 3DS XL) CONFIRMED
  • Transferred Mii Fighters (from 3DS to Wii U) lose their headgear if you don't have that headgear unlocked on the Wii U version CONFIRMED
  • Holding Up/Down with the directional stick and and trying to do a smash in that direction with the C-stick no longer does a tilt CONFIRMED
  • Blue Shell hangs in air longer / slower fall? (UNCONFIRMED)
  • Tilts/smashes while holding an item has been removed (Link, Megaman, Peach, etc) (UNCONFIRMED)
Character Updates:
I will not update any "character X feels faster" unless there is definitive proof

Bowser

  • Koopa Klaw Control of movement changed to prioritise Bowser more (UNCONFIRMED)
Bowser Jr.

  • Fsmash has a larger hitbox CONFIRMED
  • Neutral B faster BUSTED
  • Neutral A jab combos no longer have whiffs CONFIRMED
Captain Falcon

  • No change CONFIRMED
  • Neutral A Jab Rapid Combo visually connects on all hits (UNCONFIRMED)
Charizard

  • Self damage increased from Fire Blitz 9% -> 10% (5% damage + 4% recoil -> 5% damage + 5% recoil)CONFIRMED
  • Upthrow buff -> 8%+3%= 11% CONFIRMED
Dark Pit

  • No change (UNCONFIRMED)
Diddy Kong

  • Uair nerfed from 8% -> 6%, knockback reduced. CONFIRMED
  • Fair nerfed from 12%/10% -> 10%/8%, knockback reduced. CONFIRMED
  • Uthrow nerfed from 10% -> 8%, knockback reduced. CONFIRMED
  • Dthrow nerfed from 7% -> 6%, knockback unchanged but hitstun reduced. CONFIRMED
  • Monkey Flip (kick) nerfed 14%/12% -> 12%/10%, knockback reduced. CONFIRMED
  • Monkey Flip (grab) nerfed 12% -> 10%, knockback reduced. CONFIRMED
  • Banana (Throw) nerfed from 7% -> 5% CONFIRMED
  • Up B when fully charged has nerfed range (UNCONFIRMED)
  • Side B breaks fully charged shields (UNCONFIRMED)
Donkey Kong

  • Neutral B charges faster CONFIRMED
  • Down B is quicker BUSTED
  • neutral A is quicker CONFIRMED
  • fair is faster BUSTED
  • dair is faster and with less landing lag CONFIRMED
Dr. Mario

  • Fair deals more damage 16 -> 17% (UNCONFIRMED - NEED PROOF)
  • up-smash has a new trajectory that kills off the sides CONFIRMED
  • Jumps Higher BUSTED
  • DownB less landing lag CONFIRMED
Duck Hunt

  • SideB less lag BUSTED
Falco

  • UpSmash no longer whiffs the 2nd hit CONFIRMED
Fox

  • Shine has more knockback and can now Shine Spike FUCK YOU BUSTED
  • Harder to perform infinite jab (Max of 8-10 times before failure) BUSTED
  • Neutral A jab combo doesn't have whiffs (UNCONFIRMED)
Ganondorf

  • neutral jab has been buffed from 6% -> 7% CONFIRMED
  • neutral jab sweetspot buffed from 8% -> 10% CONFIRMED
  • Frame-cancelled aerials still in CONFIRMED
  • Forward smash has less endlag CONFIRMED
Greninja

  • All previous patch notes deconfirmed by my own testing. NO CHANGES AS OF YET - BETTER NERF GRENINJA
Ike

  • Fair is faster (UNCONFIRMED)
Jigglypuff

  • Rest Unchanged 20% CONFIRMED
  • Flower buffed from 35% -> 36% CONFIRMED
  • Rest Smaller Hitbox (UNCONFIRMED)
  • Fair damage nerfed BUSTED
  • bair reduced landing lag (UNCONFIRMED)
King DeDeDe

  • UpSmash extended hitbox to better hit opponent in front (UNCONFIRMED)
Kirby

  • Down Throw buffed from 6% -> 10% CONFIRMED
  • Inhale has less ending lag CONFIRMED
Link

  • Up-B Uncharged damage increased from 12% -> 14% CONFIRMED
  • Up-B Fully Charged damage increased from 19% -> 22% CONFIRMED
  • Jab-infinite removed CONFIRMED
  • Jab cancels nerfed CONFIRMED
  • No longer whiffs on his 2nd hit on UpSmash (UNCONFIRMED)
  • Down/Up Throw have less knockback CONFIRMED
  • Up B at ledge when shielded still gets you killed (get pushed off the ledge and into free fall) (UNCONFIRMED)
  • Shield now blocks Fox/Falco Lasers CONFIRMED
Little Mac

  • Jolt Haymaker is unnerfed, back to its Pre-3DS Patch days BUSTED
  • forward smash and up smash KO about 5~7% sooner. Scaling knock back has been increased. CONFIRMED
  • Wii U reverse K.O. Punch now connects as opposed to whiff and wind pushback CONFIRMED
  • KO Punch will always take a step forward. No more wind whiffs. CONFIRMED
  • Down angled fsmash does 1% less damage CONFIRMED
  • KO Meter nerf from 334% -> 350% dealt CONFIRMED
  • Rage scaling lowered CONFIRMED
  • Dsmash angle sends opponents straight 180 degrees (horizontally) instead of a semispike like most dsmashesCONFIRMED
  • Dash attack travels shorter CONFIRMED
Lucario

  • fair more endlag (UNCONFIRMED)
Lucina

  • Shield Breaker buffed from 8% -> 8.6% for semi-charge and from 21% -> 23% for full charge with buffed knockback CONFIRMED
Luigi

  • Aerial Movement nerfed BUSTED
  • Aerial Speed increased BUSTED
  • DownB Recovery Vertical Distance Nerfed BUSTED
  • Neutral B Nerfed. Fireballs used to deal 6% from beginning to end. Fireballs now function like Mario's doing 5% at the end, and almost 7% at the start, then 6% in the middle. CONFIRMED
Mario

  • UpTilt has higher knockback BUSTED
  • Back Throw has higher knockback CONFIRMED
Marth

  • d-throw has more hitstun and less knockback (UNCONFIRMED)
  • untippered upsmash kills faster (UNCONFIRMED)
  • fair faster. Same Less endlag (NEED WORK) (UNCONFIRMED)
  • Dair lag reduced heavily BUSTED
  • Can no longer dash straight to ledge and more lag added (UNCONFIRMED)
Mega-Man

  • Ice Slasher custom fires faster. Do a short hop then immediately into a side-b. Before patching, you'd be able to hit characters like Jigglypuff with it, but now it fires at the peak of your short hop instead of slightly later, so you'll whiff against small targets. (UNCONFIRMED)
  • Forward Smash nerfed by 1% BUSTED
Meta Knight

  • Nair landing lag decreased from 20 frames -> 18 (UNCONFIRMED)
  • DownB Landing Lag Bug Removed CONFIRMED
Mewtwo is a NEW CHARACTER CONFIRMED ._.

Mii Brawler

  • one-inch insane punch is removed/nerfed CONFIRMED
Mii Gunner

  • U-Smash: 16% -> 17% BUSTED
Mii Swordfighter

  • Hero Spin/(Custom Up B 3) buffed from 12% -> 14% uncharged and from 16% -> 19% fully charged on the ground CONFIRMED
  • ending lag seems to have been reduced (UNCONFIRMED)
Mr. Game & Watch

  • Neutral B is faster and has reduced endlag (UNCONFIRMED)
  • Utilt second hit sends the opponents up+diagonally behind of G&W instead of straight up. CONFIRMED
Ness

  • Dthrow has more screen shake when using it CONFIRMED
  • Bat now plays the hitsound even when only reflecting projectiles. CONFIRMED
  • More ending lag if missed grab BUSTED
  • Back throw no change CONFIRMED
Olimar

  • Fox-olimar glitch is gone. Attacking pikmin now hit through reflector when that down b is used. CONFIRMED
Pac-Man

  • Grab is now faster CONFIRMED
  • Side B knockback nerfed (UNCONFIRMED)
  • Team Double Pac-Man Staling nerfed - trampolines disappear after time (UNCONFIRMED)
Palutena

  • DTilt is faster (UNCONFIRMED - I DONT KNOW ANYMORE - NEED VIDEO PROOF)
  • Grab Range increased BUSTED
  • Super Speed Jump Install removed (Super Speed => Jump Canceled Up Smash => Dash Attack or Jump for a huge boost of speed). CONFIRMED
  • Palutena infinite Lightweight glitch on platforms has not been fixed CONFIRMED
Peach

  • Usmash less endlag (UNCONFIRMED)
  • fair is faster (UNCONFIRMED)
  • turnips push opponent back when they block it with shield or bounce back towards Peach on hit (UNCONFIRMED)
Pikachu

  • No change in move %, knockback, death % CONFIRMED
  • Fair has a smaller hitbox and more landing lag BUSTED
  • Ledgegrab time increased by 12 frames CONFIRMED
  • Upsmash has a smaller hitbox and more start-up lag BUSTED
Pit

  • Down B has reduced start-up lag (UNCONFIRMED)
  • Higher Priority moves? (UNCONFIRMED)
R.O.B.

  • UpThrow nerfed (Need %'s) CONFIRMED
  • Visual glitch that can cause ROBs thrusters to go off indefinitely has been fixed CONFIRMED
Robin

  • Levin Sword Durability Indicator Glitch FIXED (Did not Flash for Female in previous Wii U versions) CONFIRMED
  • Wind jab is faster, Hits connect significantly more consistently, including the final hit. CONFIRMED
  • Books no longer disappear (despite being picked up) if they touch a platform (Battlefield Buff) CONFIRMED
  • All nonthrow damage values are identical. Dash/Walk and Airspeeds are the same CONFIRMED
  • Fire, Wind, Thunder tome recovery time is the same. CONFIRMED
Rosalina and Luma

  • Luma HP nerfed from 52% -> 48% CONFIRMED
  • Luma Dtilt 2nd hit buffed from 3% -> 4% CONFIRMED
Samus

  • D-Throw knockback decreased BUSTED
  • Regular missile: travel speed increased BUSTED
  • Homing missile travel faster (UNCONFIRMED)
  • Ftilt has four hitboxes (up from 2) 6/7 % -> 5/6/7/8 % CONFIRMED
  • Neutral jab faster BUSTED
Sheik

  • bair nerfed from 11/10/5 % -> 8/7/5 % CONFIRMED
  • fair does more knockback (UNCONFIRMED)
Shulk

  • Smash Monado Attacks have been buffed BUSTED
  • Backslash nerfed from 16% -> 14% BUSTED
  • Back Slash, front: 9%, 10% (spike) CONFIRMED
  • Back Slash, back: 14%, 16% (spike) CONFIRMED
  • Dair nerfed from 7%, 11%: 18% total -> 7%, 10%: 17% total BUSTED
  • Fair buffed from 6-7% -> 7-8% BUSTED
  • Uair has reduced starting lag (UNCONFIRMED)
Sonic

  • back throw nerfed for ALL Weight classes. CONFIRMED
  • spin dash jump Nair nerfed from ~(27/28) -> 22 CONFIRMED
  • Flame spindash had its partial intangibility removed so now it no longer goes through moves like Sheik needles and Fox lasers. CONFIRMED
  • Homing attack no longer targets no player objects like duck hunt can explosive or Luma CONFIRMED
Toon Link

  • Down Smash hitbox properties - first hit doesn't have as high knockback and reduced damage, 2nd hit whiffs if you aren't close enough (UNCONFIRMED)
  • Shield now blocks Fox/Falco Lasers CONFIRMED
Villager

  • Tree time reduced from 14 sec -> 12 sec CONFIRMED
  • All ending lag increased (UNCONFIRMED)
  • Can't pocket Sonic's spring anymore CONFIRMED
  • Can't pocket Pac-man's Trampoline anymore CONFIRMED
Wario

  • Little Mac KO Glitch removed CONFIRMED
WiiFit Trainer

  • UpSmash No Longer Whiffs on the Ground BUSTED
  • Neutral B less charge time BUSTED
  • less landing lag in general (UNCONFIRMED)
  • less ending lag in dash attack (UNCONFIRMED)
  • Uair nerfed from 11% -> 10% BUSTED
Yoshi

  • Ledge Attack Less ending lag (UNCONFIRMED)
Zelda

  • forwad smash better at trapping opponents for the entire duration of the attack CONFIRMED
  • bair sweetspot has new visuals CONFIRMED
  • Phantom Slash Changes
Zero Suit Samus

  • Down B Range nerfed BUSTED
Level Updates:
  • Omega Lylat and Lylat levels no longer have ceiling collisions near the ledge, so you don't get stuck under the ledge anymore. CONFIRMED

  • Added 6 new 8-Player Stages
Omega Stages:

  • Delfino Plaza
  • Port Town Aero Dive
  • Woolly World
  • Orbital Gate Assault
  • Wii Fit Studio
  • Pilotwings

Mewtwo doesn't suck he just came out and there is obviously not going to be anyone that amazing with him as of yet. He is new, give him time. When Smash 4 came out people thought Meta Knight, Ganondorf, Diddy Kong, and a few others were garbage.
 
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sboles said:
That's the best Melee player in the world. I don't even know why you brought it up, I said he's bad in smash 4.

He's also bad in Melee, but that's besides the point
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A good player making a bad character good seems to be enough reason to bring it up.

even if it's not the same game. He's still considered bad in melee, just like you're considering him to be bad here.
 
Dr.Shoe said:
A good player making a bad character good seems to be enough reason to bring it up.

even if it's not the same game. He's still considered bad in melee, just like you're considering him to be bad here.
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I consider him bad for different reasons than why he's bad in Melee. His Melee incarnation is probably better, because of l canceling and his long ass wave dash. I think Mewtwo is bad in smash 4 because he isn't satisfying to play at all. He's very floaty and slow, and can't move well in the air horizontally. His moves are all very slow and do fuck all damage, while lacking good kill moves (fresh uthrow kills at 120% with no DI). Playing Mewtwo feels like doing chip damage until you either land a dair or you gimp them.

Mew2King also has beat many people using Pichu; Does this mean Pichu is good too? No, it means Mew2King is good. "His floatiness can mess with peoples heads" doesn't mean anything, Kyle just talked out of his ass and then posted the first link he saw to back his point up.
 
sboles said:
I consider him bad for different reasons than why he's bad in Melee. His Melee incarnation is probably better, because of l canceling and his long ass wave dash. I think Mewtwo is bad in smash 4 because he isn't satisfying to play at all. He's very floaty and slow, and can't move well in the air horizontally. His moves are all very slow and do fuck all damage, while lacking good kill moves (fresh uthrow kills at 120% with no DI). Playing Mewtwo feels like doing chip damage until you either land a dair or you gimp them.

Mew2King also has beat many people using Pichu; Does this mean Pichu is good too? No, it means Mew2King is good. "His floatiness can mess with peoples heads" doesn't mean anything, Kyle just talked out of his ass and then posted the first link he saw to back his point up.
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I like him a lot in Smash Wii U. I thought he would be shit like in Melee but that was honestly probably just my hatred for wave dashing. But still give it some time, you will start seeing some really good Mewtwo's in random videos and comp matches.
 
Cr33p3r said:
I like him a lot in Smash Wii U. I thought he would be shit like in Melee but that was honestly probably just my hatred for wave dashing. But still give it some time, you will start seeing some really good Mewtwo's in random videos and comp matches.
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Ehh, maybe. He doesn't seem to have anything special to make him particularly good or interesting.
 
sboles said:
That's the best Melee player in the world. I don't even know why you brought it up, I said he's bad in smash 4.

He's also bad in Melee, but that's besides the point
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Hax$ is also one of the best melee players in the world and he still lost using a high tier character. My point is if anyone can win in tournament level with a character (even if this wasn't an actual tournament) then they aren't bad. Pichu is bad, Mewtwo is just frustrating to use. There is a difference.
 
Kyle said:
Hax$ is also one of the best melee players in the world and he still lost using a high tier character. My point is if anyone can win in tournament level with a character then they aren't bad. Pichu is bad, Mewtwo is just frustrating to use. There is a difference.
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No, mewtwo isn't just low because he's "frustrating to use", he's a bad character (Since you compared him to pichu, I'm assuming we're talking Melee Mewtwo). Do you want to know who the best M2 player is? Taj, look him up. He mains the guy and hasn't gotten good results. Mewtwo is floaty, has no approach options, no air speed, and is really fucking big. He's combo food with a bad neutral. At least a Bowser player won a Xanadu weekly once.
 
sboles said:
No, mewtwo isn't just low because he's "frustrating to use", he's a bad character (Since you compared him to pichu, I'm assuming we're talking Melee Mewtwo). Do you want to know who the best M2 player is? Taj, look him up. He mains the guy and hasn't gotten good results. Mewtwo is floaty, has no approach options, no air speed, and is really fucking big. He's combo food with a bad neutral. At least a Bowser player won a Xanadu weekly once.
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You're basing your argument on global tournament wins and then call me biased? Pot meet kettle.
 
Kyle said:
You're basing your argument on global tournament wins and then call me biased? Pot meet kettle.
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You said "Hey, the best Melee player in the world won a set with Mewtwo, he's totally viable!" and "He is floaty so he can mess with people's heads", and I called you out on a shitty argument. How is quoting tournament results biased? I said you were biased because you posted one specific set to back up your argument. If Mewtwoking was able to consistently beat Hax with M2, then why doesn't he enter tournaments as Mewtwo? Because Mewtwo is bad, and he was just fucking around with Hax once.

But since he beat Hax one time Mewtwo now has "mind games".
 
sboles said:
You said "Hey, the best Melee player in the world won a set with Mewtwo, he's totally viable!" and "He is floaty so he can mess with people's heads", and I called you out on a shitty argument. How is quoting tournament results biased? I said you were biased because you posted one specific set to back up your argument. If Mewtwoking was able to consistently beat Hax with M2, then why doesn't he enter tournaments as Mewtwo? Because Mewtwo is bad, and he was just fucking around with Hax once.

But since he beat Hax one time Mewtwo now has "mind games".
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It's biased because you're not even taking local tournies into account. When you only factor the best players in major tournaments obviously Mewtwo will fall short since every frame and stat matters but that doesn't fit the majority of the community. There's a reason Mewtwo mains have won in local tournies for Melee and PM where I live. The problem here is that your definition of bad is "if the best of the best can't win with him then it's bad" when you're not even in that niche to begin with none of us are. A bad character in my definition is one that is virtually unplayable on any tournament level not just with the best players in the world.
 
Kyle said:
It's biased because you're not even taking local tournies into account. When you only factor the best players in major tournaments obviously Mewtwo will fall short since every frame and stat matters but that doesn't fit the majority of the community. There's a reason Mewtwo mains have won in local tournies for Melee and PM where I live. The problem here is that your definition of bad is "if the best of the best can't win with him then it's bad" when you're not even in that niche to begin with none of us are. A bad character in my definition is one that is virtually unplayable on any tournament level not just with the best players in the world.
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Mewtwo is actually really good in PM.

You're the one who brought up competitive smash anyhow, I said mewtwo was bad in smash 4 and you then bolstered that he has mind games and linked me to a Melee video.

Local tournaments aren't a good measurement of skill, as it is a more casual experience. I got 7th at my 3rd tourney, am I just some kind of upcoming smash god? No, I got a lucky bracket full of people who kept teching towards me into my top. A roy has gotten 3rd at Xanadu, and a bowser won Xanadu a few weeks ago. These are results you'd never see at a bigger tourney, because "The best of the best" attend big tournaments, they're people who actually care and invest time into the game. There are no "virtually unplayable" characters in melee, but there are definitely bad characters. Just because you decided that bad=unusable doesn't mean you're right. Mewtwo is a bad character, and he doesn't have "floaty mind games" or what ever non-explanation you're trying to give.

Edit: If you don't respond we can agree to disagree.
 
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Srsly though Mewtwo is the only character I've been playing all day, I didn't think he would be that fun but I just can't stop playing him.
 
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If you play online and have Mewtwo, don't beat 10-man Smash with him.
 
why did anyone want mewtwo back to begin with.

his moveset is stupid, he's a really dumb pokemon, he was shit to begin with, and he sounds stupid
 
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