Hudd

Scarcely Lethal Noob
(all links at bottom)

Its a rare thing for a man to admit when he was wrong, but here I am. I was a strong advocate for the re-addition of vsh_rats office and vsh_toys , but in my lust for new maps I forgot to appreciate the maps we had.

I am here to seek the re-addition of

vsh_forest station
vsh_apg
vsh_distillery


(all removed within this past few months)

These maps are / were staples in the FF2 Skial community and we want them back. Id suggest removing the maps that actually dont get played like vsh_process , vsh_internal heights and some of the maps that currently have 2 versions in the lineup , like cinema/kinema or urban works (urban works doesnt get played that often anyways if we being fr).

If you dont like those 3 , I also added some other good maps and links at the the bottom that are popular on other servers you might consider adding if you don't want to re-add old maps

vsh_manncohq
vsh_hakurei shrine
vsh_brewery
vsh_road2nowhere
vsh_halloween town


Obviously theres a lot of maps so consider just like 2 or 3 please that would be goated thanks penguin man.


Heres some download links , but if you add them back just use the versions that were on the server originally.


vsh forest station

https://gamebanana.com/mods/74021

vsh apg

https://gamebanana.com/mods/73948

vsh_distillery

THIS MAP IS ALREADY IN THE VANILLA GAME FOR THE OFFICIAL VSH MODE THEY ADD IN THE SUMMER. THE VANILLA VERSIONS GOOD (go in console and type vsh_disillery)


IF YOU ARE SET ON NEW MAPS , INSTEAD OF READDING OLD MAPS , HERE ARE SOME OTHER GREAT OPTIONS POPULAR ON OTHER SERVERS

manncohq


https://gamebanana.com/mods/74077
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2142955759&searchtext=vsh

hakurei shrine


https://gamebanana.com/mods/74032
alternate hakurei winter variant - https://gamebanana.com/mods/74034

brewery

https://gamebanana.com/mods/73970
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=543932197&searchtext=vsh

road to nowhere
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1383866021&searchtext=vsh

halloween town
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2226025303&searchtext=vsh
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2226025303&searchtext=vsh
 
The main reason a lot of these maps aren't around anymore is because people never usually picked them, whether because they were just bad maps or because most people pick what they consider to be the best ones in the roster. Bottiger takes into account these statistics and removes maps based on how often they're played. Take this from someone who has played this server for about 5-6 years.

Foreststation wasn't too bad of a map, but we kind of have an equivalent to it in the form of Outdoors right now. I don't think a lot of people liked Apg too much because it wasn't really meant to be a vsh map; it was a trade map. Maybe opinion has changed on it recently though, but I personally didn't care for it. I'm neutral on Distillery.

I can agree with removing the second versions of Urban and Cinema. Good luck getting rid of Cinema or Kinema though because y'all picked them so often for the funny that it boosted their statistics and they're probably sitting at some of the most played maps despite being literal dogshit. Believe me, we've tried getting Cinema removed before; it never works. As for Urban, that map has been one of the most iconic ones in the ff2 server since I started playing there and I have still seen it frequently be played, so I don't agree with removing it entirely. Keep the version without the truck driving around if you want to get rid of either of them. I agree with getting rid of Internal Heights since it's not that good of a map. Process isn't terrible but I don't really see it being played.

The only two maps out of the other five that you listed that I'd probably be alright with getting added would be Brewery and Halloweentown. They're pretty simple maps but not that bad. Manncohq was a meh map and I didn't see it get played too often when it was in the server. Hakurei Shrine was way too open and dragged on forever; a good chunk of people did not like that map which is why it was removed. And Road2nowhere just looks like it would be a pain to play as the boss on with how many cliffs you can get knocked off of.

tl;dr: Neutral on Foreststation, Apg, Process, Manncohq, and Distillery. Good luck getting rid of Cinema since you guys picked it so often for the funny. The version of Urban with the truck can go. Internal Heights can go. +1 for Brewery and Halloweentown. -1 for Hakurei Shrine and Road2nowhere.
 
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people downvoting this becuase they dont like me and its funny , not because its a bad suggestion pls consider at least a few of these maps penguin boss man
 
Don’t remove Urban_rc5. You can get rid of Process and Urban_ita though, both are meh at best.
 
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The only recently removed map that I would say was fine was foreststation, but it was obviously not being played enough and I don't expect it to come back any time soon.
I would agree that either Cinema/Kinema get removed (I'd want both gone but I know that won't happen), same with one of the 2 urban works (ita is better because the truck sucks).
As for the maps suggested, Mann co. HQ, Hakurei and Brewery were all maps that were in rotation on the server at a point in time, Hakurei is way too big of a map and Mann co. is just a boring map, I don't know how else to explain it.
I wouldn't mind seeing Brewery come back, 2RoadsIsNowHere seems okay ish and idk about Halloween Town due to the spells.
 
When are we getting VSH_Walmart though?
Also bring back oil_rig for the funny.

Honestly I don't even get to see most of the maps in rotation because everyone votes cinema or kinema.
I don't get to see Rats, Turret_Testing, Hell I haven't seen 2FortDesk in a while if thats still in the nomination list.
I saw Reservoir once this month and I didn't even see Crevice either despite it being more popular than reservoir.
So I do agree with the removal of one of the two cinema's.
Sadly I haven't seen either of the urbanworks this month either so I can't give my opinion on that yet.

It's probably just my inactivity that's causing me to miss everything.
 
When are we getting VSH_Walmart though?
Also bring back oil_rig for the funny.

Honestly I don't even get to see most of the maps in rotation because everyone votes cinema or kinema.
I don't get to see Rats, Turret_Testing, Hell I haven't seen 2FortDesk in a while if thats still in the nomination list.
I saw Reservoir once this month and I didn't even see Crevice either despite it being more popular than reservoir.
So I do agree with the removal of one of the two cinema's.
Sadly I haven't seen either of the urbanworks this month either so I can't give my opinion on that yet.

It's probably just my inactivity that's causing me to miss everything.
2FortDesk is on every so often, it’s just such a small map that it doesn’t lend itself to much fun when more than 20 players are on it.