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Conan O'Fryin'

Somewhat Threatening Sniper
Hi. Normally, after getting my topics locked and merged multiple times, I would give up and move on to more reasonable and receptive communities. HOWEVER, due to popular demand, I have decided to continue my crusade of justice by replying to the posts that I did not get a chance to respond to, due to me not seeing it before the same guy (Yeah, same guy, I know, right?) locked it once again.

CiNiC said:
1 - We like to keep it that way
2 - We're not changing it for just one server, and it is set to sv_pure 1 for a reason. Helps us avoid a good amount of hackers on our servers. This isn't about just MountainLab. It's about all of our servers.
3 - I'm on there in the mornings, kind of often. Classy and Ruelel show there sometimes as well. [Shrug]
4 - See 2. You wanting to feel like a pretty special snowflake isn't enough grounds for us to open in a gateway for hackers, no matter how small.
5 - It is kind of new..
6 - No, because it's an obviously closed subject. This isn't about just ML, it's about all our servers. We aren't going to change the sv_pure settings for individual servers based on "the regulars" of that server. You don't see US21 with AllTalk on by default, do you?
7 - I'm there often, and yeah, it doesn't get many hackers. Doesn't matter, because we're keeping sv_pure at 1.
8 - Yeah you are.
WOAH! Someone actualy unlocked the topic, even if it be for a couple of minutes! It appears that some mods are more chivalrous than others! Unfortunately, the unreasonableness that is always brought up when Skial's mods are of discussion is still unwavering, I see. I used to be like you, a mod who is bound to the rules, unphased by possible repercussions of dutiful actions, and unaware of the community's needs. But then, I realized something, not everything that represents positive change in the mod's eyes is truly in touch with the community. Sure, many of the mods have sprang from the community of a forum itself, but most, if not all, are soon alienated from it by the demands that superiors impose on them, and their views from right and wrong are soon changed when expectations are shifted. What does all of this mean? No matter how much you discuss something amongst yourselves, AKA the mods, you cannot truly reflect the needs nor the wants of the community, and such, should not ignore the pleas of mere denizens such as ourselves. Locking things because they have "already been discussed" isn't just being stubborn, but it is brushing away the idea of potentially improving the community. "We want to keep rules static." "The mods have already decided on this." "Pushing change that we do not like shall be punished." These are all things said by a staff that does not care about the community it tries to represent. So, if you want to debate a topic, do not use reactionaryism as a fodder to avoid the subject, nothing should go undiscussed, especially when the decision affects several people.



Now, to the subject at hand, sv_pure is not a deterrent for hacking in any way. First of all, wallhacking should be the least of the mod's worries. What about aimbots, FOV hackers, speed hackers, and weapon hacks? By getting rid of customization, you are merely getting rid of perhaps the lesser of these hacking evils, while destroying one of the foundations of TF2 in the process. Secondly, this is not going to stop anyone. The sight of a server that cannot be customized, for good or for bad, will simply tell the hacker "Oh no, I cannot wallhack! There must be some other method I can break the game with!" Perhaps this lack of "deterrent" is what made Mountain Lab Texas a lax and hacker free atmosphere? Thirdly, no one who plays the game will wallhack and enjoy it. You can see through walls, sure, but it all looks ugly as hell, and will rob them of any enjoyment that they would have gotten. Same with sound mods. Make Spies cloak extremely loud? Have fun playing Spy, then, bud. This is probably why wallhacks should be the least of your worries, speedhacks and aimbots are alot more popular because they don't rob people of their playing experience. Seriously, if you want to get rid of hacking, the MODS should do their job and MODERATE the servers. Not just "Stop in every once in a while"

Bottiger said:
Why do people think our regular servers ever had sv_pure 0?

They have always been sv_pure 1 from our first non-idle server over a year ago. That is the default setting and I have never changed it to 0.

Because the server in question (Mountain Lab Texas) was indeed sv_pure 0. I would recommend reading the previous posts in a thread before posting in it yourself, as the information was made clear before by some mods. Silly guy.

Antamania said:
Am I strange for not understanding the straight outrage these people have for sv_pure being on?

What I find more strange is people closing threads when topical discussion is at hand. It's like they're trying to repress people asking questions and/or the legitimacy of rules.

JarlyX said:
I can use all my mods nicely on Skial servers. (sound, models, lightwarp and some more)

You must tell me your secrets, then, since as of yesterday, my skins have been replaced by the normal ones and my sounds switched with high-pitched screeches, followed by my HL2.exe crashing AKA the typical sv_pure 1 ballyhoo

Perseus Dash Jackson said:
You'll find that, 90% of the time, it is, in fact, people who want to wallhack and say "BUT IT'S LEGAL WITH NO SV_PURE!"

[Citation needed]
 

KinCryos

TF2 Admin
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This is what I see on the NY mountainlab server. I don't think typing it in the client is reliable.
I recently read an old post on the Steam forums regarding clients viewing the value of sv_pure. someone set up a test server whose sv_pure was set to 2, the server's console reported it was set to 2 when 'sv_pure' was entered while when he simultaneously connected as a client, the client's console reported it was set to 0

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=603042
 

takethepants

Australian Skial God
Contributor
I recently read an old post on the Steam forums regarding clients viewing the value of sv_pure. someone set up a test server whose sv_pure was set to 2, the server's console reported it was set to 2 when 'sv_pure' was entered while when he simultaneously connected as a client, the client's console reported it was set to 0

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=603042
I hope this isn't still an issue 5 years later.
 

Conan O'Fryin'

Somewhat Threatening Sniper
This is what I see on the NY mountainlab server. I don't think typing it in the client is reliable.

Yet, I am able to use my skins and sounds on it, as opposed to the sv_pure 1 servers where they block it and cause me to crash. What exactly are you viewing it on, the server software? Also, how does your whitelist work, do you have to register user content into the system one by one?

You either had a mechanism to change sv_pure or it was accidentally turned on.

Uh, if I had this magical mechanism I wouldn't have made these threads in the first place, DUH. Jeez, you're a silly guy, you know that? The purpose of the thread was not to get anything approved or rejected, it was to explain a PROBLEM. Something got changed without warning nor explanation. Things only got more convoluted when the mods claimed that what was explained was not true. I do not know why you have this apparent urge to lock my threads and demonize my posts, but you should control that urge, atleast until the problem has been fully addressed
 

mohawkg2

Australian Skial God
Contributor
Yet, I am able to use my skins and sounds on it, as opposed to the sv_pure 1 servers where they block it and cause me to crash. What exactly are you viewing it on, the server software? Also, how does your whitelist work, do you have to register user content into the system one by one?



Uh, if I had this magical mechanism I wouldn't have made these threads in the first place, DUH. Jeez, you're a silly guy, you know that? The purpose of the thread was not to get anything approved or rejected, it was to explain a PROBLEM. Something got changed without warning nor explanation. Things only got more convoluted when the mods claimed that what was explained was not true. I do not know why you have this apparent urge to lock my threads and demonize my posts, but you should control that urge, atleast until the problem has been fully addressed
STOP FUCKING CALLING THE MODS "SILLY GUYS" :suspicious:
 

Conan O'Fryin'

Somewhat Threatening Sniper
So . . . you think that mildly insulting the people who provide you with free servers to play on is a good way of convincing them to give you what you want?

Hi. Yes. Just because they do something good does not mean they are exempt from any criticism. If there are flies in the soup kitchen soup, they should be brought up
 

Faron

Australian Skial God
Contributor
This is true. Likewise, if there is chicken in the fly soup, it should be brought up as well
but your paying for the soup in the first place. I'm going to stop posting now... I'm just being an idiot... don't reply to this message.
 
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