Declined [FF2] Remove vsh_abandoned_warehouse_final_v3

[goldencheeze]

not a balanced map, bosses that dont have stuns or kb immunity like my main just get destroyed, matches take a long time; Vents just don't work well in FF2, in VSH that's a different story.

 

[Percilius]

+1
There's 2 vent spots in the map and there's a few bosses that can't stun sentries and you can't actually go to both spots in time hoping an engineer didn't make it there before you. Once those vents get camped some bosses just can't win anymore.
Examples includes Miku and Snake.

 

[Drezki]

+1
fuck that map honestly

 

[Stove™]

+1, if you aren't finding anyone fighting towards the middle of the map, chances are they're in the vents. And good luck getting in there if you're a boss like Miku. With that in mind, red team is at a pretty unfair advantage when it comes to this map.

 

[Baker999]

+1, but it still doesn't give you the right to be shit with the other players

 

[thehowl5657]

This is why the map pool needs to be split between VSH and FF2. This map works completely fine in VSH while it apparently doesnt work for FF2.

 

[Stove™]

This is why the map pool needs to be split between VSH and FF2. This map works completely fine in VSH while it apparently doesnt work for FF2.

Agreed. We must initiate the summoning circle for separate map pools.

 

[door]

+1, Vents in general just dont work for FF2 because they're so campy and some bosses cannot win

 

[thehowl5657]

Agreed. We must initiate the summoning circle for separate map pools.

Unfortunately this has been suggested numerous times and Bottiger declines them for whatever reason.

 

[Stack Man]

-1

I like the map on vsh2 :^)

 

[soos]

+1 its gotta go

 

[goldencheeze]

-1

I like the map on vsh2 :^)

leave it on vsh then but not ff2 vsh games last long anyways

 

[Stove™]

leave it on vsh then but not ff2 vsh games last long anyways

The problem is that it would only be possible if we have separate map pools, and that suggestion keeps getting declined.

 

[goldencheeze]

The problem is that it would only be possible if we have separate map pools, and that suggestion keeps getting declined.

Sad.

Then I support separate pools too

 

[Stopwatch]

Agreed. We must initiate the summoning circle for separate map pools.

The lack of separate map pools is slowly becoming a big problem. Right now it serves no real purpose other than creating friction between the VSH and FF communities.

As such I can't in good conscience give this thread a +1 or -1 because it's ultimately a result of a larger issue that needs to be addressed first.

 

[Bottiger]

You can pick your boss so there's no reason for you to pick a boss that cannot win on a specific map.

This is another reason why FF2 is impossible to balance for, the difference between bosses are too much.

It doesn't make sense to me to remove maps/map features to suit every possible FF2 boss.

 

[Stack Man]

You can pick your boss so there's no reason for you to pick a boss that cannot win on a specific map.

This is another reason why FF2 is impossible to balance for, the difference between bosses are too much.

It doesn't make sense to me to remove maps/map features to suit every possible FF2 boss.

First, there are still the complaints of long match times and the vents which are still a problem even for bosses with KB resist rage. KB is a primary feature of FF2, is it not?

Second, although it'd be great for every player to play optimally, you cannot account for that. Overall, the experience is unenjoyable on the map. Both for hale (even playing a boss that can win), and for red who must futilely wait for hale to attack the vents nearly every round.