Declined [FF2] Automatically mark reports from ProKid as invalid

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I don't really know how best to put this but me and Dave who were active VSH admins back in the day would never ban anyone just for turning a blind-eye to one of their friends as the boss. Now if someone is delaying the round after everyone else is dead then that's different but simply letting a friend stay alive until the end of the round to RPS them was never considered banworthy. Unfortunately certain new admins don't know any better and in my opinion are being taken advantage of by a certain user who is only here to stir the pot.
 
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the reports that i've handled for "prokid" were actually valid because friendlying is not allowed if certain players contribute no damage to the hale and makes it harder for everyone else to kill the hale

sure, there are certain reports that are not needed for, but to mark every single one of them as invalid just because you or other players can't have their "fun" shouldn't be an issue in the first place.

just simply follow the rules and play normally, as long as you contribute some sort of damage then it's fine.
 
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Telling FF2 players not to turn a blind-eye to their friends is like telling ZE players not to say "laserfag". Yeah, it's technically against the rules but nobody ever cared as evident by the fact that you rarely saw any reports for it until this guy showed up. You know he's just here to spoil the fun and the server risks dying because of it.
 
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Metroidz said:
something happens that CT doesn't like or want = server dying
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caramel said:
the reports that i've handled for "prokid" were actually valid because friendlying is not allowed if certain players contribute no damage to the hale and makes it harder for everyone else to kill the hale

sure, there are certain reports that are not needed for, but to mark every single one of them as invalid just because you or other players can't have their "fun" shouldn't be an issue in the first place.

just simply follow the rules and play normally, as long as you contribute some sort of damage then it's fine.
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The reports are somewhat valid in the sense that they follow the server rules, but in the context of the server itself the punishments are excessive for the offense being committed.

The server atmosphere is pretty laid back and more often then not we are just chilling and having a good time; most of us aren't the type to get up in arms about someone friendlying/doing no damage. Yes we will call out those who are obviously contributing negatively, but most of us aren't the type to advocate a 1 day ban for someone deciding they want to taunt for a round. The exception to this is Prokid, who has made it their mission to report every single incident no matter how important on the forums.

Prokid claims that "everyone" is sick of people friendlying/griefing, despite many of the other FF2 players holding an opinion similar to the one I just laid out prior.

Additionally, prokid makes no attempt to use text chat or the !vote menu command to call out offenders before reporting them on the forums. I think it would be fair if the server comes to the conclusion that someone is friendlying/griefing through the vote menu, in which case a slay or kick would be suitable, however multiple day bans because 1 person takes offense just feels absurd.

To the admins: I understand that you lot are just doing your tasks as administrators of the site, but I implore you to listen to think about the circumstances of most of these reports. Is a 1 day ban really warranted for someone who decides to go friendly for 1 round despite contributing almost every other round damage wise? If you still don't believe what I have said in this comment, please just join the server and play for a hour or two, you'll get the true context behind most of these reports

(Sorry if parts of this don't make sense I wrote this at 3am bc I know there's a chance this thread will get marked invalid)
 
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I do agree about the votemenu options or at least calling out the player that's friendlying and not contributing.

unfortunately, we cannot control someone from making reports and deny them access to do so.
i know it sounds frustrating, but anyone can and has to make a report if they're able to, knowing that someone is breaking rules even when an admin is not around.

if you believe this is affecting the server and its players then we can try to be gentler with the punishments as long as there's enough evidence to go against it.

thing is, if we do get a report of someone who is contributing absolutely no damage towards the hale and is just dancing and taunting the entire time then that is a rule break, no questions.

if the player at least contributes some sort of damage even if its little then that's fine, we don't wanna ruin anyone's experience or their fun but at the same time we wanna keep the server intact and make sure they follow the rules.

I don't play ff2 much but if you really need this then I'll try to hop on every now and then to check it out.
 
Obviously anyone is allowed to make reports; this thread's title was more to create a discussion about it and the fact is there needs to be some kind of resolution.

caramel said:
I do agree about the votemenu options or at least calling out the player that's friendlying and not contributing.
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I agree too and it shows this guy is only seeking to get people banned from the server.

caramel said:
thing is, if we do get a report of someone who is contributing absolutely no damage towards the hale and is just dancing and taunting the entire time then that is a rule break, no questions.
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Just because it's against the rules it doesn't mean you have to punish them over it. As I said me and Dave never banned people for doing that back in the day unless it was getting out of hand. Doing it occasionally one round was never a problem and I suppose really the rules ought to be changed to reflect that but you don't want to say "friendlying is allowed" more that it's not a big deal unless it's excessive. I mean what next are you going to ban people on deathrun for letting their friends have a freerun? That's technically friendlying too but you would kill the server if started doing that.

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I don't play ff2 much but if you really need this then I'll try to hop on every now and then to check it out.
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And this is a problem that I've brought up before. If you're not active on the server you are administrating then you don't understand the situation.

I only want what's best.
 
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I'll chime in with a general word.

For the punishment that gets dished out, I feel like it'd be generally better as a whole to only take action if there's *multiple* rounds, close to each other for punishing friendlies. Like Scrumpy said, it's way too harsh for a SINGLE round, especially when you have to take into account the previous bans. There would be obvious exceptions to this if the rule in question that's being broken is more severe.

Imagine getting banned for an entire week over a single round of "friendlying" and it just so happens that someone reported you for it. Feels unfair.
 
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Imagine getting banned for an entire week over a single round of "friendlying" and it just so happens that someone reported you for it. Feels unfair.
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This would include you already getting banned two times presumably for the same reason. Why continue doing it
 
gala said:
This would include you already getting banned two times presumably for the same reason. Why continue doing it
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"Friendlying" for a single round while your friend was boss wasn't something admins would ban over in the past.

On that note, if shooting the hale a singular time in the ENTIRE round, and then doing nothing for the rest of the round doesn't count as friendlying, then I think you have flawed reasoning.
 
I would like to see more leniency. Sometimes as boss I end up sneaking to a RED player and waiting for them to turn around to scare them, or I find a single Engineer who hasn't fully set up yet. I usually end up sparing those players for later after messing around with them. Sure you can say I'm breaking the rules, but it's to such a small degree that I feel it shouldn't be an issue.
 
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gala said:
What are you referring to?

https://www.skial.com/threads/flint...und-and-being-friendly-damage-farming.122205/

Flint was not banned because he did damage, more than 1 time

Useless was banned because he refused to kill him despite having the chance to do so, making everyone wait
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This is not what I was specifically talking about. This was a justified ban on Useless side as it ended up stalling the round severely.

The thing I'm specifically referring to are the players on RED team.
 
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suggesting to take away a players ability to report, what a tyrant :megusta:
 
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