Invalid Appeal: Anub?

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Anub?

Anub?

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The clip presented in the report on me only included the moment where I called the vote, and not much leading up to it, which included the player who the vote was called on frequently being relatively annoying and interrupting, (often holding down their mic and not speaking at all). I had previously communicated with the player, who is obviously just a kid, asking if he could calm down or adjust his mic a bit multiple times, and called a vote after the second or third time of being ignored. I didn't bother recording for a report, because, again, he was just a kid, and I was content to mute him on my side when the vote didn't go through, but I believe this instance is taken a bit out of context, and not really representative of my recent change in behavior on skial.​
 
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Keep your friends out of your own appeal, their support isn't relevant. "I was there and he didn't vote abuse" isn't relevant or helpful at all.

Pose the question that your story is true, you didn't start recording him interrupting ads then? You're usually one of the first people to record and file a report when someone breaks a rule on Trade US, so why didn't you record? I find it hard to believe it was because the player is a little kid.
 
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To be fair theres usually a line between something being obviously reportable and not, and I usually save after the results of the vote, since the recording goes back five minutes. As I said before, it was just a kid who likely didnt know what he was doing, so I wasnt inclined to be mean to him or anything, and I planned on, as I said, muting him client side afterwards. This didnt end up being the case however because he left the server when the vote was called, and I thought nothing more of it. You can see this in the evidence posted when the status window is pulled up at the end. I didnt record mostly because yes, it was a very small child who I didnt want to punish for being a dumb kid, and for the fact that the problem solved itself, saving me from hunting down his profile and making a report.

I would also like to call attention to the fact that there isnt much if any evidence of abuse. A vote is called and it is denied, with no prior context given, including the actions ofnthe affected player or myself, and I haven't necessarily been able to puzzle together how this would constitute good evidence. I thank you for the chance to further explain myself and ask that you would look at my recent behaviour on the forums and in the discord as a reflection of someone who actively respects and upholds the rules.
 
As for the posts by other people, my apologies, I figured that in lieu of video evidence of my claims, witnesses who were on the server at the time, (as seen in the evidence when the status command is done), might do. I tried to pick relatively neutral parties, as blinx and wraith are people I was able to easily contact but not necessarily my friends, and I only asked that they tell what they experienced prior to the votemute being called. Yes, they are on ny friends list, but to be fair, its a bit hard to contact them through skial when I am currently muted. If this was more disruptive than helpful though, as it seems to have been, I apologize for assuming and cluttering the appeal.
 
Anub? said:
I didnt record mostly because yes, it was a very small child who I didnt want to punish for being a dumb kid, and for the fact that the problem solved itself, saving me from hunting down his profile and making a report.
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Jermaphobe said:
You're usually one of the first people to record and file a report when someone breaks a rule on Trade US, so why didn't you record? I find it hard to believe it was because the player is a little kid.
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There are plenty of times that I get to various stages of a report that doesn't end up getting submitted. This one was recorded 3 days ago and never submitted because the mute went through and the guy left, which seemed to be the end of the problem, so I didn't bother making a report on it or editing the video at all.

sorry for the word dump, but since I don't have video evidence I want to do everything I can to show that this report was made in error, and I have learned from my lesson since the last time this happened and prove that I have not, nor would not commit the same stupid mistake again.
 
Anub? said:
I would also like to call attention to the fact that there isnt much if any evidence of abuse. A vote is called and it is denied, with no prior context given
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It is irrelevant if the vote passed, its still abuse of votemenu if the player did not break any rules.

Anub? said:
I haven't necessarily been able to puzzle together how this would constitute good evidence
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Hypocritical, as most of your reports have evidence around the same length or shorter than the evidence the reporter provided. Evidence you submit around that length are fine but not someone else's? Should we just no longer accept evidence if its not longer than 1 minute? 1 minute & 30 seconds? In the 50 seconds of the clip from the report, it just looks like a random kid being a kid not directly doing anything wrong and you suddenly call a vote mute on him. No context; you vote abused. Reporters hardly ever give any prior context to what happens off camera. Liars in reports and appeals are another thing, but that isn't completely relevant to this I hope.

Anub? said:
As for the posts by other people, my apologies, I figured that in lieu of video evidence of my claims, witnesses who were on the server at the time, (as seen in the evidence when the status command is done), might do. I tried to pick relatively neutral parties, as blinx and wraith are people I was able to easily contact but not necessarily my friends, and I only asked that they tell what they experienced prior to the votemute being called. Yes, they are on ny friends list, but to be fair, its a bit hard to contact them through skial when I am currently muted. If this was more disruptive than helpful though, as it seems to have been, I apologize for assuming and cluttering the appeal.
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So many non-admins stick their nose in appeals they have no business being in. There is a banner on top of every appeal thread telling non-admins they can only post evidence. "I was there and there was no vote abuse" cannot count as evidence.

I'm not going to invalid or pardon this appeal just yet, I need to consult someone, be patient until then.
 
Jermaphobe said:
Hypocritical, as most of your reports have evidence around the same length or shorter than the evidence the reporter provided. Evidence you submit around that length are fine but not someone else's? Should we just no longer accept evidence if its not longer than 1 minute? 1 minute & 30 seconds? In the 50 seconds of the clip from the report, it just looks like a random kid being a kid not directly doing anything wrong and you suddenly call a vote mute on him. No context; you vote abused. Reporters hardly ever give any prior context to what happens off camera. Liars in reports and appeals are another thing, but that isn't completely relevant to this I hope.
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I wasn't speaking to the length, more the content of the evidence. I always at least try to get proof of what is going on, and if I haven't been doing that, I would appreciate knowing so I can adjust accordingly. That being said, some things are rather cut and dry; mic spamming is usually fairly obvious and I can't say more than 20 - 30 seconds of someone doing said spamming is needed to prove the case. I am obviously a bit bias in saying this, but I think vote abuse needs a bit more to prove, short of someone saying "I'm going to mute you because it's funny". By the way this situation has played out, it would be easy for anyone to take a video of someone calling a vote on someone else and saying "the accuser vote abused", assuming the person being voted on didn't have any immediate evidence in the video that they were doing something wrong. In this specific example, I do not think there is enough to definitively say that the vote I called wasn't fair, but I can understand the flip side, because I don't have enough valid evidence to back up what I am saying either.

All in all, what you decide to do is final, and I will respect it, I'm just trying to do whatever I can to make my case, so thank you for hearing me out.
 
Jermaphobe said:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qqQOiMZkfziZc0jh7wD00NM1UfFk7QWa/view

The mute will remain. You tried to vote mute a kid because he was interrupting you and another player's conversation. We don't mute players for interrupting your conversation. No one was advertising

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  • No purposefully interrupting trade chat.
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It wasn't that he was talking over me and another player, but there were parts of that clip and before the clip where he was holding down his mic even after he had finished talking, allowing game audio to play through his mic. Regardless, the vote was a mistake on my part, and I see that the type of situation, while annoying, wasn't against the letter of the rules. Knowing this, is there any leniency that can be granted considering the mute is three months, which is quite a length of time for what was an error in judgement?
 
Anub? said:
but there were parts of that clip and before the clip
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How much evidence are you gonna insist we have on you before you will say its enough? The entire hour before the vote was called? The entire day? That is ludicrous. I entertained the thought that there may be prior context and requested more footage from the reporter to see if your story held up. What they provided is enough.

I told you last time next time would be 3 months.

Honestly tell me, why should I lower it when you could have admitted you were wrong and not drag this out, inconveniencing all parties involved?
 
Anub? said:
It wasn't that he was talking over me and another player, but there were parts of that clip and before the clip where he was holding down his mic even after he had finished talking, allowing game audio to play through his mic. Regardless, the vote was a mistake on my part, and I see that the type of situation, while annoying, wasn't against the letter of the rules. Knowing this, is there any leniency that can be granted considering the mute is three months, which is quite a length of time for what was an error in judgement?
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I did admit it was a mistake in judgement-
Anub? said:
Regardless, the vote was a mistake on my part, and I see that the type of situation, while annoying, wasn't against the letter of the rules.
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-right there (although I realize now it may not have sounded how I wanted it to. I meant that the kid did nothing against the rules, as they are written).

I fully realize my mistake, and that's definitely what it was, but like I said, I do believe that in the 6 months since I was last muted, I've showed an honest effort to better myself and, in a small part, the community, and that this vote was an error on my part. I do apologize for dragging it out and, again, I do fully admit I made a mistake, but it does not represent me, and All I can do now is recognize my mistakes and better myself from them. Thank you for the time and consideration you've already given me.
 
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I've lowered it to 2 weeks. It will expire 2 weeks from the initial date the punishment was issued, not from today
 
I appreciate it, and will continue to learn from this and do better in the future, thank you.
 
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