Declined Allow players to say "nigga" again as long as it's without negative context

herp 105.4 said:
this you?
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Holy smithereens, that is a deep fake. "Steam banned me for a day"

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Not sure where the sources are to verify the statements being made. You're playing with fire if it's not.

Defibyoulater said:
I don't have a horse in this race, I don't play TF2 anymore and I think even saying racist words is a violation of God's good will. I am making this post just to bring up some history and perhaps have us look at things from a different perspective, later to include some opinion.

Back in 2017 the 'culture war' was just beginning to brew. Inevitably, this spread to Skial and issues came up - I can only describe it as a feeling: most players blissfully played on the servers unaware of the 'war in heaven' (over politics) that was occurring on the forums/discord/other. This prompted me to go on as many servers as possible during prime time and poll all the average players on if they were actually perturbed by discrimination, in particular by racial slurs. The response was a resounding 'No, not bothered.' It was so resounding that BOTTIGER REMOVED THE DISCRIMINATION RULES IN FULL https://www.skial.com/threads/server-rules-update.73494/ Eventually, as time went on the culture shifted and this change dissolved, of course.

The timing of this thread is a coincidence because I was recently thinking about bumping that old thread. Not to reminisce or insight drama, but to see that a person or a community or humanity goes through wavelengths - and one of the core components that keeps us from falling off this alternating spectrum at all is at the least being able to fully express ourselves. I think censoring, even these horrible words, takes away from that vital component. This is all compounded by the fact that players have !mute and !ignore at their disposal, which makes me feel like the admins duties in these matters are made redundant and I fear some want the keep the law just to have the glee of enforcing it (something along the lines of the users who would scour HLSTATS to spam reports).

I actually think CT is right, but most likely unwittingly, because it seems his brain has been fried by the Internet (he should take a min. 6month hiatus), but this leads to another realization/issue. If the players and their cliques can't say in public they just brood and say in private. This may be why we get threads or characters like this and some of those people don't use the forums, they go to rightfully or wrongfully complain about how Skial is too strict with something like 'left leaning' admins or other.

This is just what I'm thinking and I feel like I'm missing some logic so anyone is invited to add/subtract to any of this. Ultimately, when it comes to player numbers/retention so far I'm on board with this logic (quoted from DaivdBaekr all the way back in 2017 on that original thread) ...

TF2 is an 18 year old game as of now - it's amazing this community has lasted this long, and we're not really collecting 'new players'. Unless Skial blows up through meme-tier virality, whether we most strictly enforce the rules or not I don't think were really budging, but at least in my heart it'd be quaint to know we have enough trust in the players not to abuse their freedom of speech. And so, I am changing to a +1 carefully.
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This.
 
Winnie said:
Holy smithereens, that is a deep fake. "Steam banned me for a day"



Not sure where the sources are to verify the statements being made. You're playing with fire if it's not.



This.
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This is likely in reference to an account restriction which is not publicly available information. Things like restriction due to harassment or because of the posting hate speech on profiles are temporary which would line up with the statement “banned for a day”

Community/economy/VAC/Game bans are permanent.

Could absolutely be a deepfake still. But that link showing no bans doesn’t disprove it.

If we were told which account it was posted on we could lookup the profile comment history and then search the account that posted it.
 
lucas4647 said:
This is likely in reference to an account restriction which is not publicly available information. Things like restriction due to harassment or because of the posting hate speech on profiles are temporary which would line up with the statement “banned for a day”

Community/economy/VAC/Game bans are permanent.

Could absolutely be a deepfake still. But that link showing no bans doesn’t disprove it.
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I never fucking said that shit. I also don't use em dashes.
 
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Cream Tea said:
I never fucking said that shit. I also don't use em dashes.
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Now that argument does track. I just looked through every cream tea conversation I’ve had and he’s never used an em dash.

Unless it can be substantiated I think it should be deleted by mods as character assassination. Not that CT has much standing in the community to go even lower. But my point still stands.

I’ve also never seen CT make violent statements or even write statements that would endorse violence outside of memes. Even in private with someone who would face criminal charges for leaking said conversations. So this is pretty out of character.
 
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Jesus christ lmao

Does no one remember the thread exposing CT's absolute trashy personality, being needlessly racist, anti-semetic, transphobic and misogynous for lack of anything better to do with his life? Regardless of the "validity" of the suggestion, this guy has literally done nothing but talk shit about Skial and its administration ever since he was banned, while making a ridiculous amount of alts with names insulting just about every member of the staff team

Why this sad excuse of a human being was ever allowed back into the community is beyond me, but I really doubt taking any of this non-grass-touching ass's troll suggestions as actual suggestions would actually do anything good for the community other than reinflate his already over-inflated ego as literally the only thing he's trying to do is cause any kind of conversation to desperately still feel relevant and feel like he still has any ounce of power over the community
 
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Toxik said:
Jesus christ lmao

Does no one remember the thread exposing CT's absolute trashy personality, being needlessly racist, anti-semetic, transphobic and misogynous for lack of anything better to do with his life? Regardless of the "validity" of the suggestion, this guy has literally done nothing but talk shit about Skial and its administration ever since he was banned, while making a ridiculous amount of alts with names insulting just about every member of the staff team

Why this sad excuse of a human being was ever allowed back into the community is beyond me, but I really doubt taking any of this non-grass-touching ass's troll suggestions as actual suggestions would actually do anything good for the community other than reinflate his already over-inflated ego as literally the only thing he's trying to do is cause any kind of conversation to desperately still feel relevant and feel like he still has any ounce of power over the community
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Is there a source for this exposure or an archive?
 
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It's kind of pathetic how many old fossils are being dug up just to downvote this.

Is this going to be the only legacy of millennials? At least we stopped bad words being used on our servers that half of us don't even play on anymore!

Defibyoulater said:
If the players and their cliques can't say in public they just brood and say in private. This may be why we get threads or characters like this and some of those people don't use the forums, they go to rightfully or wrongfully complain about how Skial is too strict with something like 'left leaning' admins or other.
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This is a brilliant point. You force us to communicate in private and then act surprised when a suggestion like this has a fair amount of support.
 
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