Addition/ modification to the "no leaving threads" rule

FireGame

FireGame

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Stated this at the end of the last thread that implemented this rule, and decided it should probably be brought up separately.

Basically, I think the amount of people include able in a pm needs to be drastically increased (if possible) if that is going to be the method of explaining a absence. This would also allow for support (for example: when CD took a break for personal reasons) which have also been banned under the new rule which simply states "no leaving threads".

Steam just won't cut it if you have to say goodbye for whatever reason, as they would have to comment back or give support in the exact message, or else have to track it down after closing the chat box, which could be difficult. Of course, it could be used still for quick goodbyes or if little info needs to be offered, but sometimes people just want to vent and receive support.

Alternately, we could add in a "leaving" section which has a few additional rules to keep it cleaner than the rest of the forum, similar to how we have a "introduction" forum where the regs greet new people in a friendly manner.

Thoughts?
 
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Regarding taking leaves, I'm completely against it. The tree probably still needs them.
 
no leaving section, that's silly.

I didn't know there was a limit on the amount of people you could include in PMs. That would probably be the most viable solution to this (extremely small and nearly insignificant) problem
 
Isil said:
no leaving section, that's silly.

I didn't know there was a limit on the amount of people you could include in PMs. That would probably be the most viable solution to this (extremely small and nearly insignificant) problem
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I threw the "leaving" section out as a possibility, but it doesn't seem necessary to me either.
Also, it may seem silly in some cases (i.e. the recent "I hate you all, go die" leaving threads) but we have had time when people have had serious irl problems and simply want to take a break. It is nice to let them post a thread in which they can state their situation and receive support for it. It's like... a Skial support group? Something like that.
Bottiger said:
Why not just put it on your Steam profile?
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That wouldn't scream "Skial"... unless this isn't suppose to be a community in that sense. That is a solution, it is just more public.
 
i belive if it personal reasons. u should be able 2 say good bye 2 ur buds in skial but if its going to cause.drama like in the.case.or.mod.7s good.bye tread lock it as soon as possible
 
FireGame said:
That wouldn't scream "Skial"... unless this isn't suppose to be a community in that sense. That is a solution, it is just more public.
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*on steam profile*

to all of my Skial friends, I am taking a temporary break from the internet because I broke my penis in my car door. See you guys later after the surgery.

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I don't think there should be a law against leaving threads - I think there should be a law against dramatic QQ bawwwwwwwwwwwwww threads. Someone who wants to inform the rest of the regs/forum users "I won't be around for a while, cat died." that's fine - nothing wrong with that....

On the other hand someone going
"FUCK YOU GUYS I FUCKING HATE SO AND SO HE'S A SCUMBAG AND HE'S RUINED SKIAL" is something I'd like to avoid.

All in all, I think the rule should be retyped in general to "no pity seeking threads." as i said, don't think there's anything wrong with someone informing us they'll be away for a while for a legitimate reason.
 
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Isil said:
*on steam profile*

to all of my Skial friends, I am taking a temporary break from the internet because I broke my penis in my car door. See you guys later after the surgery.

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A possibility. Personally, I check the forums WAY more than anyone's steam profile. They would have to send me a PM or a steam message away, which would defeat the purpose and bring us back to option one and problem two. I don't think I'm uncommon in not checking profiles also.
 
Due to our status as the most popular TF2 group, there will always be someone each week that will be pissed off, tired of TF2, busy with work, or had a relative die. But it is irrelevant to the other 95% of other people on here. That is why I created this rule.

Don't make the mistake of thinking this is why you should've joined a smaller community though. It still happens to smaller communities. The difference is that it happens less often, but when it does it is a lot more devastating for them.
 
Bottiger said:
Due to our status as the most popular TF2 group, there will always be someone each week that will be pissed off, tired of TF2, busy with work, or had a relative die. But it is irrelevant to the other 95% of other people on here. That is why I created this rule.
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It is irrelevant to most ppl, true, but that is the same as saying the Minecraft section is irrelevant because officially this is a TF2 group, not a Minecraft one. I would guess less than 5% of the community actually uses it or frequent the server.
Bottiger said:
Don't make the mistake of thinking this is why you should've joined a smaller community though. It still happens to smaller communities. The difference is that it happens less often, but when it does it is a lot more devastating for them.
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... I joined this when it was a smaller community, and the people who are leaving are the people who brought me here, so they have been here longer. I take it more seriously than the newer ppl who are the core of the disagreement here.
 
FireGame said:
It is irrelevant to most ppl, true, but that is the same as saying the Minecraft section is irrelevant because officially this is a TF2 group, not a Minecraft one. I would guess less than 5% of the community actually uses it or frequent the server.


... I joined this when it was a smaller community, and the people who are leaving are the people who brought me here, so they have been here longer. I take it more seriously than the newer ppl who are the core of the disagreement here.
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There is a difference between minecraft and threads where you are leaving.

It seems like all the new people are the problem, but that is untrue. Even when we only had 1 server, people complained about others and told me they were leaving. The people that stayed became regulars. I cannot stop people from arguing, I can only enforce fairness.

Nothing has changed.
 
Bottiger said:
There is a difference between minecraft and threads where you are leaving.

It seems like all the new people are the problem, but that is untrue. Even when we only had 1 server, people complained about others and told me they were leaving. The people that stayed became regulars. I cannot stop people from arguing, I can only enforce fairness.

Nothing has changed.
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I don't feel upset about the goodbye threads, and most of them I feel are people overreacting to dumb situations, pretty much every goodbye thread that has been made in the past like 3-4 days has been someone overreacting, or trying to drum up pity.

I can understand where you are coming from, and why you want to disallow these type of threads, because it just causes so much more drama than typical forum trolling - but at the same rate, if someone is quitting for a while and wants to tell the regulars on the forums (and there is a large group of them...I don't consider myself in said group) that there is some form of emergency, and wants some support from the people they've been talking to - I see nothing wrong with that. I know at the end of the day, most people on here are no more than internet friends, however when you've spent a long time talking to someone internet or otherwise they become more than just "oh someone I know from the internet."

If one of my friends internet or otherwise is going thru a tough time - I like to be told so I can at least offer some advice, or even simply an ear to listen to someone who just needs to get something off their chest. However, most of this is somewhat irrelevant, I just went off on a tangent and don't feel like deleting it - my point stands that I don't think we should disallow legitimate posts of people who are going thru some really tough times and want to express that.

However - at the same rate I can see Bott's point that these really don't add much to the substance of the forums, and the same thing that can be said in a "goodbye" thread, can also be said in a "Going thru some real tough times." thread. If this rule stays, and you still want to tell people about some RL troubles, feel free to do it - just don't label it a farewell thread, or criticize people on your way out....I think at the bottom of the rule that pretty much stands the reason it was made. The problem with people making farewell threads is most people can't remain mature and explain simply why they are leaving, but they have to add drama into them.

But, I fear I have made a decent sized wall of text, I am fine with goodbye threads staying so long as they are kept mature, reasonable discussions vs. shitstorms....but at that same rate I know it's very hard to keep such a dramatic thread shitstorm free, so I can see both sides of the spectrum...and tbh I'm fine either way it's decided.
 
Another thread about leaving and shit.

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Bottiger said:
It seems like all the new people are the problem, but that is untrue. Even when we only had 1 server, people complained about others and told me they were leaving. The people that stayed became regulars. I cannot stop people from arguing, I can only enforce fairness.
Nothing has changed.
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I am not blaming them. I am simply saying their perspective is different from mine and that when they have been here a while and have spend over a year with some of these people they would probably feel different. I honestly don't know why they take so much offense to this in the 1st place (except when they are personally attacked in one of these thread- that is out of line). I think nothing probably has changed, except that I crossed this threshold a little while back.
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However - at the same rate I can see Bott's point that these really don't add much to the substance of the forums, and the same thing that can be said in a "goodbye" thread, can also be said in a "Going thru some real tough times." thread. If this rule stays, and you still want to tell people about some RL troubles, feel free to do it - just don't label it a farewell thread, or criticize people on your way out....I think at the bottom of the rule that pretty much stands the reason it was made.
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Is this an option? Could people label their threads not "leaving for good" but "Have something to deal with, brb" or something similar? Because that is more what I am getting at, where people are just giving us a heads up. Few people really leave "for good" if they bother posting at all.
 
[TC]CreepingDeath said:
When did I take a break?It's quite possible I have the worst memory in the history of humankind... So maybe I did? LOL
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You yelled at your kids one day, and were apparently raging hard in tf2 (I wasn't there). You decided that you should take a break from Skial, the internet, society, etc for a bit. We all gave you support, and agreed that you were normally a cool guy. It's things like that I think we should keep. Bottiger has even responded to these thread in support before.
 
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