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I feel it is necessary to make this thread stating that sharking should be against Skial rules. "Sharking" is well, this should explain it in full detail.

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Doesn't that fall under scamming?

No, Scamming and Sharking are 2 different things, scamming involves what was agreed on and traded not being upheld, sharking is the trade being agreed on, but deception was made by one user to the other to get the agreement [to benefit the deceptive user].
 
who cares, it's a bunch of pixels that don't really have value in a shooter that shouldn't have an economy. let people trade a hat for a wep if they want
 
If they're all just pixels, please trade me all of your hats/miscs/unusuals. I'll be online most of the night. I'll give you unique weapons in exchange.

I mean they're all pixels and the economy is just made up prices, right?
 
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If someone doesn't care about the price of their item, even if they know it may be worth more than what they're selling it for, then I say who cares.

However, if a sharker knows the price of a item and intentionally tries to convince the seller that their item is far less valuable than what it actually is that by definition is a scam.

scam
a dishonest scheme; a fraud.

We should be able to do something about those types of sharkers in my opinion.
 
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who cares, it's a bunch of pixels that don't really have value in a shooter that shouldn't have an economy. let people trade a hat for a wep if they want
No, it was never brought up as an issue before because it isn't one.
As trading isn't a matter to either of you, I'm not sure why this matters to you, I made this thread to ensure trades made on Skial are safe in all cases. What you define as "pixels", traders define as items they invest time and money into and I'm certain I'm not the only one who would be disheartened if they were tricked into trading.

I made the blunder myself in a suggestion about FF on the idle server saying it'd be dumb to change as idle servers are meant for idling and nothing more, I got involved into something that had nothing to do with me as I never visited the idle server, while I cannot force you from commenting as this is open for comments and meant for discussion, I request you not too comment on something you're not involved in/care about.
 
As trading isn't a matter to either of you, I'm not sure why this matters to you, I made this thread to ensure trades made on Skial are safe in all cases. What you define as "pixels", traders define as items they invest time and money into and I'm certain I'm not the only one who would be disheartened if they were tricked into trading.

I made the blunder myself in a suggestion about FF on the idle server saying it'd be dumb to change as idle servers are meant for idling and nothing more, I got involved into something that had nothing to do with me as I never visited the idle server, while I cannot force you from commenting as this is open for comments and meant for discussion, I request you not too comment on something you're not involved in/care about.

I am involved in trading, don't know where you are drawing your conclusions from. I'm simply stating that this isn't that terrible of an offense, and should not be acted upon by Skial admins or the like. If SR itself does not tag for it, then this should not be an issue.

Other communities have rules about sharking, true, but just because they do doesn't mean Skial should as well. This is my input, and this is a suggestion, so I am allowed to provide it.

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Never said you weren't allowed took, again, I've no control over what you can or cannot do, keep in mind that I wish for this rule as sharking offers unsafe trading practices.

Apologies also for assuming trading is something you don't care about.
 
Right, and how do you plan on preventing sharking?
Report them after they get the items? Those items are rightfully theirs after they trade.
 
It's hard to prevent something right when it happens. Even if the initial issue couldn't be stopped, it's good to know that accused is not welcome in Skial servers and that accused is walking out with consequences.
 
Sorry, but I have to disagree with that, although I don't like sharks (or dolphins).

Sharking isn't scamming, there are no tricks involved, a shark can lie about the worth of items, but its so easy to check prices, I don't think its entirely the sharks fault if he srews someone out of an unusual for a weapon.

Also, there would be an extreme increase of reports, and many would look like this:
V: S sharked me!
S: No I didn't. (Insert argument about how he didn't know himself, or how he told V it's a bad deal and he was ok with that)

Admins can't ban for that, unless V provided screenshots.
And I think it's safe to presume that a person who is careless enough to get sharked won't be taking screenshots in 99% of all cases.

So all it would do is overloading the admins with new invalid reports.
 
Never said you weren't allowed took, again, I've no control over what you can or cannot do, keep in mind that I wish for this rule as sharking offers unsafe trading practices.

Apologies also for assuming trading is something you don't care about.
Look in my bp, I have 2 unusual so I'm pretty sure I'm involved in trading. That doesn't mean I can't think it isn't stupid an FPS has an economy based on hats.
Sharking will always happen and I don't care about it. But why should people who work the system be punished for it?
 
If they're all just pixels, please trade me all of your hats/miscs/unusuals. I'll be online most of the night. I'll give you unique weapons in exchange.

I mean they're all pixels and the economy is just made up prices, right?
It is made up prices. It isn't an "economy", it's a bunch of idiots saying "Keys are 9 ref now? For no reason other than you want the extra rec? D'okay"
 
It's the victim's fault because they chose not to look up the prices.
 
We could never enforce that. Sharking may be frowned upon but there is a reason you should trade at your own risk. People could just lie and say they got sharked when in actuality the price of the item has changed. In addition, pretty much every trading community out there does not enforce a no-sharking rule. We would be the odd one of the trading communities and, considering we are not a full trading community, it may hurt the servers we have. This honestly seems to be more hurt then help.
 
Yeah this is a great idea so the forums can be filled with little kid reports stating he offered a weapon for my scrap when I clearly said 2 weapons for my scrap ban him now he's a scammer.