New rules. Sourcebans finally replaced.
- Thread starter Bottiger
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I still think they are only needed for actually serious offenses such as pedo jokes, illegal stuff like doxxing, long time harassment, sexual harassment. Although in serious harassament situations I'll probably permaban instead because even the presence of the perpetrator on the same server while muted, is enough to make the other party feel unsafe and uncomfortable.
I don't count saying the hard r or other slurs nearly as serious as the above examples, it's mostly just disgusting low intelligence behaviour. 3 months is a long time to wait for them and for us it's very simple to re issue if they still decide to do it again. If they keep doing it after several times then we'd probably consider permanent solutions in a case by case basis.
This isn't our guideline but I'm personally also against giving longer mutes than couple weeks for minor things such as voteabuse or micspam.
I'm more interested in figuring out ways to stop people from repeating their offenses than punishing for the sake of punishment. However this system is still fairly new and prone to change based on the results and I'm always open to discussion on improvements but only if the other party is arguing in good faith and can support their claim. I don't want to waste time rebutting a bunch of fallacies
I don't count saying the hard r or other slurs nearly as serious as the above examples, it's mostly just disgusting low intelligence behaviour. 3 months is a long time to wait for them and for us it's very simple to re issue if they still decide to do it again. If they keep doing it after several times then we'd probably consider permanent solutions in a case by case basis.
This isn't our guideline but I'm personally also against giving longer mutes than couple weeks for minor things such as voteabuse or micspam.
I'm more interested in figuring out ways to stop people from repeating their offenses than punishing for the sake of punishment. However this system is still fairly new and prone to change based on the results and I'm always open to discussion on improvements but only if the other party is arguing in good faith and can support their claim. I don't want to waste time rebutting a bunch of fallacies
I agree except repeat offenders often repeat because they don't care and don't respect anyone elses time or energy. I rarely see people that get to 3 months not just leave or get a perma right after. You can't reason with the unreasonable.
dunetoa2
Somewhat Threatening Sniper
Agreed. So many people showing up now from the mass unban who just show up and repeat what got them permabanned. It sends a bad message all around when you don’t make these kinds of people reckon with the consequences of being unable to use what they abuse.
The Ultimate Trash
Mildly Menacing Medic
I guess smaller communities have to go through the phase of sucking up to snowflakes just like big triple A games did then wondering where 80% of their playerbase went, dont get me wrong rules are fine for excessive stuff but baby proofing everything to make sure no one gets offended is how you go down a rabbit hole where you basically dont allow people to speak at all or even like with roblox where they try to moderate people pressing W and S behind you lmao.
King Bottiger saved Skial from evil sourceban
dunetoa2
Somewhat Threatening Sniper
This would make sense only if it wasn’t regarding the one form of communication that easily allows for rule-breaking. No one enjoys admin who go “just deal with the guy screaming into the mic or blasting porn audio, just mute him.” That doesn’t send a message that such activity is undesirable in general, it just makes it look like admin don’t care.
Your entire comment reads like the kind of stuff Cream Tea was posting in defense of racism and borderline porn: a bunch of goalpost-moving exaggeration that changes the issue from “we want to make sure this is used fairly” to “we assume admin will abuse it”. I don’t think I’ve seen any time someone got unfairly muted. I’ve seen way too many times that that claim was used just to get collateral damage in the appeals section instead.
I mean if the insults are completely justified, then it shouldn't warrant a mute lol.
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"Except when they're lobbied against me, & then they should all be muted"
Careful of the slippery slope
Everyone in Skial is wrong and stupid and dumb except for me and if you disagree your wrong and stupid and dumb
dunetoa2
Somewhat Threatening Sniper
You admitted the biggest problem with Skial and how it connects to you. That's a good step for positive change. Along with the 'in' crowd/admins being able to get away with in game performance enhancements over the years that bypass the restrictions placed upon the everyday player, no wonder the player base slowly goes down and negative opinions are found throughout TF2 comments/reviews on other websites. Squashing people when they engage your community leaders and getting insults in return doesn't reflect well, no matter how dated. Oh, the irony.
