Cream Tea
Banned
We must return Skial to its former glory.
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Declined Allow players to say "nigga" again as long as it's without negative context
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USAFMike
Uncharitable Spy
While I don't buy the automatic assumption that it's "racist" to say, I just think it's a stupid word. But I support whatever the admins decide.
BryceM
Banned
well, in this case, CT has admitted (in my dms) that he genuinely does not think mixed race couples should have children, so him wanting to have that word brought back is sketchy to say the least
While I don't buy the automatic assumption that it's "racist" to say, I just think it's a stupid word. But I support whatever the admins decide.
BryceM
Banned
I mean, you're not wrong, but considering this is a dude who was once a big contributor, I'd imagine you of all people would be more outspoken against this lol.
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I am aware there are different cultures and those of their own race that wish to restrict the use of this word.
I used to manage a work crew of the represented demographic. Faces are covered to respect their privacy. I had 125 direct reports (associates) under my leadership, so this is only a small proportion being reflected. They were my supervisors and ambassadors. Taking a group photo altogether would require full attendance and a wide picture. 😂 I no longer work here.
While discussions were held previously about slurs, I just don't think that what is practiced in one jurisdiction should become the world (Skial's) order.
I never wrote an associate up for saying "nigga". 🤷🏻
I was reporting on here for the usage, but it was against my intuition, and I was wrong in doing so. I wasn't considering how it could also be lowering the player count when changes are being demanded nonverbally by the chart.
I still won't say it, regardless of how pressing this topic may be. That is simply not my style, as previously mentioned.
If others do, then let them as long as they aren't being cruel or actually being racist. It should be subject to perception rather than censorship in a mature game.
Another food for thought, casual is back to normal. We must tackle the reasons why players would resort to casual and make Skial the better option in the competition. We currently have a full selection of wearables or weapons for anyone to equip. We need to let this edge be a bigger pull than providing reasons to push away. I also think mass pardons should be within a year instead of a couple.
I am aware there are different cultures and those of their own race that wish to restrict the use of this word.
I used to manage a work crew of the represented demographic. Faces are covered to respect their privacy. I had 125 direct reports (associates) under my leadership, so this is only a small proportion being reflected. They were my supervisors and ambassadors. Taking a group photo altogether would require full attendance and a wide picture. 😂 I no longer work here.
While discussions were held previously about slurs, I just don't think that what is practiced in one jurisdiction should become the world (Skial's) order.
I never wrote an associate up for saying "nigga". 🤷🏻
I was reporting on here for the usage, but it was against my intuition, and I was wrong in doing so. I wasn't considering how it could also be lowering the player count when changes are being demanded nonverbally by the chart.
I still won't say it, regardless of how pressing this topic may be. That is simply not my style, as previously mentioned.
If others do, then let them as long as they aren't being cruel or actually being racist. It should be subject to perception rather than censorship in a mature game.
Another food for thought, casual is back to normal. We must tackle the reasons why players would resort to casual and make Skial the better option in the competition. We currently have a full selection of wearables or weapons for anyone to equip. We need to let this edge be a bigger pull than providing reasons to push away. I also think mass pardons should be within a year instead of a couple.
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Man, I’m tired of you doing this CT. You’ve been doing more and more stupid suggestions that I’ve had it with you. I thought you somewhat changed for the better, but I see that I was wrong. I don’t care that cultures have there ways of the word. I am Mexican and I believe that my OWN people saying the n word in very fucking stupid. It’s not even our word, why use it? Plus they use it for negativity most of the time and from experience they can be racist.
Man, I’m tired of you doing this CT. You’ve been doing more and more stupid suggestions that I’ve had it with you. I thought you somewhat changed for the better, but I see that I was wrong. I don’t care that cultures have there ways of the word. I am Mexican and I believe that my OWN people saying the n word in very fucking stupid. It’s not even our word, why use it? Plus they use it for negativity most of the time and from experience they can be racist.
Cream Tea
Banned
The fact of the matter is that the community is not retaining players anymore. Now I may say a few edgy things every so often but I'm really not a hateful person who is out to get people. I may disagree with certain things but that doesn't necessarily mean I hate someone for it.
I'll tell you what I'm tired of doing, I'm tired of contributing to deathrun while watching what was once a stable playerbase become decimated because certain admins feel the need to either flex their power or virtue signal. I like you Feral but surely you aren't blind to the fact that what's going on here is really not benefiting anyone. Call my suggestion "stupid" if you want but there are more players for this right now than there are against it. The madness honestly needs to stop because it's doing more harm than good.
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you need to realize something Cream Tea, not every single person that plays on skial has your mentality and way of thinking, nor do they want your constant suggestions of trying to gid rid of certain rules for more freedom for yourself and certain individuals.
you technically have the right to say whatever you want, but that doesn’t mean its appropriate or that others have to tolerate it. there are certain rules that are set to protect players from hate speech.
even if you dont mean it that way, the word still carries a history of violence and oppression. its not about your intent, its about how it affects people.
every major gaming platform bans hate speech because slurs make the space unsafe and drive people away. that's bad for a whole community.
if you want to argue for “freedom of speech” that applies to government censorship, not to a gaming community. the rules exist so the rest of us dont have to deal with racism or harassment mid-game.
why use a word that you know offends and hurts people? why have the need to just use a different race's word just to make yourself look funny and be edgy? that applies to certain slurs towards natives, mexicans, arabs, indians, asians and even lgbt individuals etc.
youre not in the 2000s where you can say anything you wanted freely anymore, people have grown and learnt whats right and wrong to say.
call it "woke" if you want, but that doesnt mean its wrong or harmful to respect a race and a culture.
allowing it doesn’t make the community freer; it just drives people away and creates toxicity. everyone joins the servers to have fun, not deal with hate speech. if someone really cant play TF2 without using a racial slur, that says more about you and them than about the rules.
you technically have the right to say whatever you want, but that doesn’t mean its appropriate or that others have to tolerate it. there are certain rules that are set to protect players from hate speech.
even if you dont mean it that way, the word still carries a history of violence and oppression. its not about your intent, its about how it affects people.
every major gaming platform bans hate speech because slurs make the space unsafe and drive people away. that's bad for a whole community.
if you want to argue for “freedom of speech” that applies to government censorship, not to a gaming community. the rules exist so the rest of us dont have to deal with racism or harassment mid-game.
why use a word that you know offends and hurts people? why have the need to just use a different race's word just to make yourself look funny and be edgy? that applies to certain slurs towards natives, mexicans, arabs, indians, asians and even lgbt individuals etc.
youre not in the 2000s where you can say anything you wanted freely anymore, people have grown and learnt whats right and wrong to say.
call it "woke" if you want, but that doesnt mean its wrong or harmful to respect a race and a culture.
allowing it doesn’t make the community freer; it just drives people away and creates toxicity. everyone joins the servers to have fun, not deal with hate speech. if someone really cant play TF2 without using a racial slur, that says more about you and them than about the rules.
lucas4647
Truly Feared Pyro
1. Fuck this suggestion. And fuck CT
2.
You’ve accidentally brought up a good point that needs to be addressed.
Caramel mutes for talking around the word. “Dancing around it” as she has said
https://www.skial.com/threads/twinkyboi-3-racism.125155/
And the appeal
https://www.skial.com/threads/tf2-appeal-twinkyboi.125163/#post-906020
Twinkboi said “they call me the fake n-word… Nicaragua” in the report video (with extremely garbled audio) and she muted for it. I’m not here to defend twinkboi but that was a terrible call and my comment pointing out it was a bad call was deleted.
I think she’s a great mod overall but seems to have a hard on for anyone that approaches a racial slur. We shouldn’t mute for approaching a racial slur to discuss it. But this discussion is bullshit and CT is making the suggestion for selfish reasons and in bad faith. Allowing people to use racial slurs won’t make Skial great again or any of that happy fascist horse shit.
i dont know why youre bringing this up, the player has a history of saying the nword + discriminative slurs even before i was admin.
i have warned them before about using their words and made it clear that what they said was wrong.
you cannot constantly babysit players and discuss certain words they cant say like theyre children, theyre grown adults and they know better than to dodge a slur or repeatedly say it.
lucas4647
Truly Feared Pyro
Because your call was shit and you should be shamed publicly for making a shit call then standing behind it.
Again, not here to defend twinkboi. I know his history.
But that was a shit call and when you make bad calls you give support to CT’s suggestion. Why should we as a community allow a word to be policed if admins abuse that discretion. because that’s what you did there caramel, you abused your discretion to settle a personal vendetta against a player.
Still think you’re a great mod and your heart is in the right place. But sometimes people need a neutral voice to call them out.
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no where in the slightest have i abused my powers towards them, and i certainly do not need to justify myself to you with all due and respect.
dodging the nword and trying to say a different word thats similar to cover it should not be something to warn about and brush off.
i have no personal vendetta against them either, no clue where you got that from lol.
lucas4647
Truly Feared Pyro
Nicaragua? With garbled audio that I had to slow down to 25% speed on audacity, equalize, and listen to on $1,200 Bose A20 headphones to almost understand the word he said.
I know you didn’t hear what he said because I know you didn’t do that yourself. You saw he made an implication of a stand in for a racial slur and you muted. You’ve created a rebuttable presumption of a vendetta and done nothing to eschew that suspicion.
Shit call and you didn’t back down when called out. If there is one reason CTs suggestion should pass it’s because you give it oxygen with these calls.
This comes from a place of tough love. Real tough love not CTs racist bs. Please don’t make calls like that.
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Mae Day
Notably Dangerous Demo-Knight
This suggestion doesn't wholesome the chungus.
Reddit will be hearing about this! type beat
Reddit will be hearing about this! type beat
again you keep saying i have a "vendetta" against the player when i dont even interact with them.
i dont have any hatred towards any player whatsoever neither cause everyone gets treated equally, that'd be really stupid if i did.
kindly think for a moment to why would i even resolve or take care of a report if i didnt hear the audio lol.
and try not to keep pinning CT's suggestion on me just because you think i didnt make the right call.
i dont have any hatred towards any player whatsoever neither cause everyone gets treated equally, that'd be really stupid if i did.
kindly think for a moment to why would i even resolve or take care of a report if i didnt hear the audio lol.
and try not to keep pinning CT's suggestion on me just because you think i didnt make the right call.
lucas4647
Truly Feared Pyro
1. I have studio level headphones and a strong knowledge of Audacity. Even with that I didn’t hear the word. And I would never know what he said if he didn’t admit to it later. You either have a way better background in audio tech than I do or you heard what you wanted to hear. Keep in mind two other admins repeatedly listened and couldn’t make a call regardless of them being fresh.
2. No, it’s a suggestion that only can get oxygen with bad calls. You made a terrible call. If that continues we as a community shouldn’t allow admins to police it because admins will abuse their discretion. Like you did. I fucking hate this suggestion and I want it to die. So don’t give it oxygen.
3. When a person in authority makes a bad call and doubles down on it they create a rebuttable presumption of bias (a vendetta). That’s why I claim there is a vendetta. You made a bad call and you’re tripling down on it here.
creep
Sufficiently Lethal Scout
>Step 1 on how to save Skial:
>Let everyone say slurs that were previously automutes and make it harder for admins to catch and mute actual racists by making people do reports instead of them being automuted
>Step 2: ?????
>Step 3: Profit
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>Let everyone say slurs that were previously automutes and make it harder for admins to catch and mute actual racists by making people do reports instead of them being automuted
>Step 2: ?????
>Step 3: Profit
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