New Nerf demo crit spam on Dustbowl...

[Bill Paxton]

3rd level of Dustbowl has the same people at the top of the end leader board, often clear of 2nd place by 100 kills, because they just spam crit sticky grenades. The fact that there is such a huge disparity in kills shows its unbalanced.

Perhaps having to reload after shooting one sticky grenade or some other solution I can't think of.

 

[Bill Paxton]

You gotta preface theses posts better if you didn't want advice or people saying "skill issue."
I only give advice because if Valve/TF2Team isn't doing anything regarding the niche scenario of kritz demos on one part of a map, what the heck makes you think any of the Skial administration will do the same?

The only somewhat notable "fix" (more of a community re-make) I've seen for these sorts of stalemates was mostly watching Shounics stuff on his 100 player server with his own rendition of pl_Dustbowl adding more options for blue offense to press the attack instead of being funneled through normal channels where most crit nades go.
But then again - that's even more of an extreme example of Dustbowl due to the massive amount of players as compared to the base 24.

Every time I've seen you within the US Dustbowl - the moment you see one of the regulars you'll usually call it out in chat in regards to krits hell incoming. "Oh look the spammer" in some variation. You're prefacing it in advance for your team already which is greatly appreciated.
To which usually is met by the kritz user in question by saying "you're bad." right back at you.

"Kritz Demo is hard to deal with - if there is a counterbalance, people would do it."
Multiple people who have used it against you or are victims with you against kritz have even mentioned methods for counteracting it in game.


If you don't even know what this is and how amazing it is versus critical damage - that's on you. But hey come rant about it more through here and double down on other's opinions/inquiries being wrong - see what progress that gives.

Didn't read all of this but whatever you said, Shpee just finished 100 clear of 2nd place because he just crit spams as a demo. If it's easy to counter him/them, why does no one ever do it?

Again, just accept that it's there is an imbalance because it is a mathematical fact. If Skial/Valve don't want to do anything about it, great. There will remain an imbalance.

 

[Gingy]

Didn't read all of this but whatever you said, Shpee just finished 100 clear of 2nd place because he just crit spams as a demo. If it's easy to counter him/them, why does no one ever do it?

Again, just accept that it's there is an imbalance because it is a mathematical fact. If Skial/Valve don't want to do anything about it, great. There will remain an imbalance.

Sure - lets go with the imbalance route. For sure you have folks who pubstomp on 3rd stage due to the tight chokepoints and how easy it is for crit nades to hit targets.

But is your only "mathematical fact" a handful of specific player's killcounts to support the suggestion of nerfing the speed of which a stickybomb launcher shoots across the server because of another player giving them Kritzkrieg? Man if I see a phlog-uber combo with the same high killstreak we better mark that as an imbalance as well and try to change base game mechanics again.

I've played countless games against Shpee, ez$Dom, Carnage, Mixtape, peehole, imSandy, and other high ranking folks on Skial who tend to have medics following them, where they'll pop off with high killstreaks and blue still wins in the end of 3rd stage.

You, myself, and a good majority of the regulars we see on Skial Dustbowl all pay for a reserved slot for what Dustbowl entails. Just !swap to red on 3rd stage and save yourself a headache within text chat / forums next time this happens or get better at the game. I dunno what else to tell ya homie - you're fighting a battle people have accepted and dealt with for years.

 

[Bill Paxton]

I'm not fighting a battle. I'm just posting on this forum while I'm eating an apple and watching the news in the background because I remembered this thread after I joined with 30 seconds left in stage 3, then saw that Shpee was 100 points clear of 2nd place and remembered this thread.

It's weird why you guys won't acknowledge that the handful of users you mentioned are taking advantage of an unbalanced mechanism in the game and if Skial cared, they could fix it. Again, I don't think they will. I just find it odd that people talk about it being a skill issue when it's clearly not. They lob sticky grenades over and around corners because they know blu is fighting to advance and then they retreat, wait until filled again, rinse, repeat. Not like it's hard.