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Miles Kilo

Miles Kilo

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This will probably sound stupid,
But I do think that one of the rules are unfair.
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"or internet connection"
So let's say, I'm a just a person who loves to play on skial, I have a sibling that has another pc and uses another account but he started cheating on skial, on the same internet connection obviously because we live together (in this I also don't know he is cheating)
So I get banned with him? I'm not actually banned on skial I was just reading the rules and thought that this part is stupid.
The suggestion is: maybe don't ban because of the same internet connection.
This is probably going to get a lot of "dumb" thing so yeah, I don't even know if we are allowed to make suggestions about the rules.
 
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You'll suffer the consequences of whomever cheated, irregardless if it was you or your brother.
 
Miles Kilo said:
Yeah... that's stupid.
I can imagine a regular skial player getting banned because the stupidity of the rules.
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ever since TF2 went F2P, we've had to ban by IP address to prevent cheaters from simply making new Steam accounts to continue cheating
 
mub said:
How would you prove that?
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He can't. Unless he wants to volunteer his time deep-diving internet-detective style, which he'd have a hard time doing without getting IP addresses and personal info.

Miles Kilo said:
You want innocent skial players to be banned?
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Anyone can point out an alt without our own tools. Our own tools give us the ability to discern who is truthful and who is not and we go from there. If you honestly think we'd instate such case specific rules and never give leniency to any case you're not very observant. Go look at the appeals, not all of them are "We don't unban cheaters", but of course you can't see what we see. So that doesn't mean much for you


edit for clarification, I mean obvious throwaway alts, many players have alts they maintain to look like main accounts
 
Jermaphobe said:
He can't. Unless he wants to volunteer his time deep-diving internet-detective style, which he'd have a hard time doing without getting IP addresses and personal info.


Anyone can point out an alt without our own tools. Our own tools give us the ability to discern who is truthful and who is not and we go from there. If you honestly think we'd instate such case specific rules and never give leniency to any case you're not very observant. Go look at the appeals, not all of them are "We don't unban cheaters", but of course you can't see what we see. So that doesn't mean much for you


edit for clarification, I mean obvious throwaway alts, many players have alts they maintain to look like main accounts
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Hmmmm, oh well I will shut up and trust you on that.
 
Miles Kilo said:
if they appeal with proof that they weren't cheating and that it's a different account
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This is all hypothetical of course, but trying to prove that you weren't the hacker and it was really your brother, on your own home IP address is incredibly difficult.

To start, you would need to prove you have a brother, so we would require DNA test documentation, as well as passport and birth certificate information.

Then you would have to prove that it was your brother who was hacking and not you, so we would need proof via alibis for the time of the hacking.

For example, if you were outside shopping, and your brother was hacking at 3 PM, and you have a grocery story receipt at 3 PM showing you were in the store. Of course, this is not enough, because then we would need proof that it was actually you in the store, and not someone else who just gave you the receipt so you could use it as proof. So you would need to go to the store and request security camera footage showing you in the store at the time that your brother was hacking, and submit that video footage.

Then to get your account unbanned, we would need a guarantee that you brother cannot play TF2 on Skial ever again, because if we just unban you, what is there to say your brother doesn't just start hacking again in a week on the server on your account.

To enforce this, I would then request a signed and notarized copy of a legal contract stating that if your brother ever plays TF2 on Skial again, you and your entire family would be subject to penalties including financial compensation to Skial. We would of course need to make the financial compensation a large enough amount to deter your brother from trying anything. If the fine was just a few hundred dollars, he could probably just hack again and pay the fine. So we would need the fine to be large enough that it is not easily paid off, something along the lines of $10,000 or more. .

Of course, even with this contract, we have no way of telling who is playing TF2 in your household, so we would need to install programs and spyware on all your computers, as well as external cameras pointing at all computers to enforce who is using the computer in your house, so that if we catch your brother playing, we can then fine your family $10,000.

So you see, since it is so incredibly difficult to do this and try to close off all loopholes, it is easier to just ban your entire household/IP address if ANYONE in your house hacks.
 
ArayhMD said:
This is all hypothetical of course, but trying to prove that you weren't the hacker and it was really your brother, on your own home IP address is incredibly difficult.

To start, you would need to prove you have a brother, so we would require DNA test documentation, as well as passport and birth certificate information.

Then you would have to prove that it was your brother who was hacking and not you, so we would need proof via alibis for the time of the hacking.

For example, if you were outside shopping, and your brother was hacking at 3 PM, and you have a grocery story receipt at 3 PM showing you were in the store. Of course, this is not enough, because then we would need proof that it was actually you in the store, and not someone else who just gave you the receipt so you could use it as proof. So you would need to go to the store and request security camera footage showing you in the store at the time that your brother was hacking, and submit that video footage.

Then to get your account unbanned, we would need a guarantee that you brother cannot play TF2 on Skial ever again, because if we just unban you, what is there to say your brother doesn't just start hacking again in a week on the server on your account.

To enforce this, I would then request a signed and notarized copy of a legal contract stating that if your brother ever plays TF2 on Skial again, you and your entire family would be subject to penalties including financial compensation to Skial. We would of course need to make the financial compensation a large enough amount to deter your brother from trying anything. If the fine was just a few hundred dollars, he could probably just hack again and pay the fine. So we would need the fine to be large enough that it is not easily paid off, something along the lines of $10,000 or more. .

Of course, even with this contract, we have no way of telling who is playing TF2 in your household, so we would need to install programs and spyware on all your computers, as well as external cameras pointing at all computers to enforce who is using the computer in your house, so that if we catch your brother playing, we can then fine your family $10,000.

So you see, since it is so incredibly difficult to do this and try to close off all loopholes, it is easier to just ban your entire household/IP address if ANYONE in your house hacks.
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Good try, but it wasn't funny
 
Miles Kilo said:
Well that is a solution but they should try to unban the innocent ones?
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Nobody is innocent. If you don't like it that your "fake brother" got you banned cause they cheated just light their bed on fire while they're asleep. Ez.
 
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