Need Evidence CrimsonFuckingKing and the Renegade - Constant votemute abuse

Nano Shinonome

Nano Shinonome

Mildly Menacing Medic
Summary:
Constant votemute abuse​
Player Name:
CrimsonMotherFuckingKing and the Renegade​
SteamID:
[U:1:109398948] and [U:1:85385139]​
Time:
now​
Servers:
TRADE | NY​
Detailed Explanation / Screenshots / Demos:
I will preface this to admit that I am human, humans make mistakes, and I am no exception. In my report of player CrimsonMotherFuckingKing, I will note that I have broken rules and been punished accordingly, sometimes excessively. I apologize to anyone and everyone who was offended by my actions.


I have been frequenting this server for a month or so. Last week, CrimsonMotherFuckingKing joined the server. He ignited into a conversation about political issues with other players, which led to a debate about gay's rights for marriage. I have nothing against homosexual individuals and am not homophobic in any way or condition. I said a remark of something along the lines of, "I don't believe all society would be accepting of gays."


CrimsonFuckingKing, being the impulsive and immature person I know him to be today, furiously begins talking into his mic, repeating,

"You don't think gays should be part of society!?!?" I remember his exact words because he repeated saying this multiple times. At first I thought he was joking and making a scene at an attempt to gain attention from the server. I lied in the chat,

"I don't have a mic, what are you talking about?" in an attempt to keep this social justice keyboard warrior under control. He takes a few moments to look up how to mute, and votemutes me while everyone believes they are white knights fighting against equality. Understandably, I was relatively upset and confused about why I had been votemuted.


I returned the next day to hear Crimson raffling, and I immediately recognize his voice spamming the voice chat every fourty-five seconds. Recalling the incident from the day before, I try to provoke him. I asked him if he was Jewish to see if he would take offense. He did. He immediately defended himself and accused me multiple times of being "racist" (this has caused MANY arguments: Crimson and the entire server think that Judaism is a race/ethnicity, I argue against them)

This resorted to name-calling and harassment, which is NOT against the rules or explicitly stated in any way. Crimson makes replies such as, "I-I have a lot of Jewish friends, you racist!" Attempting to provoke him further while abiding the rules, I write in the chat, "crimson is a jew loving scrub"


To this, he becomes very excited and furious, once again, putting on a show for the server. After he calls me more names, he eventually gets a 94% vote to kick me.


This poses a very troubling problem. 94% of the players the server didn't even read or skim though the rules even ONCE.


Excerpted from the rules of 9-24-14,

  • Racism and other insults to gender, religion and sexual orientation. Does not include discussion of why it is against the rules.
I in no way insulted any gender, religion, or sexual orientation. Stating that an individual loves others who follow Judaism is no reason to call a votemute for a valid reason.


If this report gets any attention, I will write more instances of Crimson and his friends' bullshit they pull on me. I have been votemuted multiple times every day for the past week. I provoke Crimson without breaking the rules, and because he is upset, he calls a votemute which should be used explicitly for rule-breakers, instead of muting me or leaving the server to distance himself from his personal problems.


I had the entire session recording, but due to recent hard drive failures, the videos were written over while I was attempting to fix corrupted sectors.


His immaturity has caused me a lot of grief because now, trading is practically impossible whilst CrimsonMotherFuckingKing is on.


Earlier today, I was minding my own business and trading someone. He threw me a lowball for a hat I was selling, so I tell him no. The trader and I have a heated negotiation about the prices. His items are worth ~2 ref lower than my asking price for pure, so I still decline.


"k, imma report you now," the trader states.


I immediately close out of the trade and advise everyone to not trade with the player I was trading because he will falsely report you. TheRenegade, (one of Crimson's friends who I will get at a later date) start mindlessly spamming the mics repeating "Shut up shut up shut up shut up" whilst I am advising the server's players. I told TheRenegade to stop spamming the mics while I am talking. He persists, so I call a votemute against him because he broke rule #1. The server votes against it, and TheRenegade is upset. He says,
"I am recording this and I am filing a ban report for votemute abuse."

It irks me that his recording was evidence to prove my innocence, and he is now using it to try to defend himself violating the rules.

CrimsonFuckingKing has been piping in random insults to me while the server is in chaos once again.

He says, "Sorry, I have to do this. I know it's against the rules, but it's worth it."

He calls a votemute on me once again and it passes.


I am at the end of this line with his rule-breaking bullshit and the ignorance of the sweeping majority of the server rules.


I beg that the admins take note of server logs, recordings, and any other nessicary documentation for my case. I will record evidence or do anything possible in the future to help justification of my problem. Please ghost on the server anonymously when we are on at the same time. Chances are, we have started arguing against each other.


If you have made it this far, thank you for reading and being aware of this problem. If you have read TheRenegade's report on me, please consider hear me before making a decision.


tl;dr: I am being repeatedly votemuted for CrimsonMotherFuckingKing's immaturity and personal problems against me while I am NOT breaking the rules stated on skial's official site.

EDIT: I have confronted him about this and he said, "...I take responsibility for my actions. I know I have abused the votemute and I will accept my punishment for it, whether is being banned for a day, or.. parmenately."

I don't believe a permanent ban is necessary because he took responsibility. I forgive him that much.

EDIT 2: Please note the Renegade did not votemute me, but the reason I had him reported is because he said he was falsely reporting me. He said in attempt to scare, and never actually filed a report.​
 
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First off, I didn't call the vote.

2014-09-23 18:12:26i still dont like you. skial.com | TRADE | NYtrade_minecraft_skial
2014-09-23 17:38:32/votemenu silence #[U:1:130235335]. skial.com | TRADE | NYtrade_minecraft_skial
http://stats.skial.com/stats/hlstats.php?mode=chathistory&player=4760309

Second, you tried to mute me and Crimson for the sole reason of "I don't like you" and I told you that was vote abuse. I haven't called a single vote on you and I constantly told you that if you don't want to hear us, you can use the client mute. We didn't do shit. You were the one making homophobic comments on the mic and that's why you were muted constantly by other players. I don't know why you're reporting me for vote abuse when I've never called a vote on you. And when I called an admin, you stopped talking on the mic and claimed to not have a mic. If the admins would like to see, I can post my chat log and Crimson's chat log. The only time Crimson called a vote on Nano was today.

EDIT: Also, that chat log I posted was from Nano's profile. It's kind of obvious he's only trying to mute people he doesn't like.
 
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None of this is true except the chat link that was posted. To any admin reading this, please contact us before making any decisions.

the Renegade, please don't make false actuations.
 
I'm not making false accusations. You can check my chat log and Crimson's. The only time he called a vote on you was today and I never called a vote on you. You do have a mic and people call votes on you because all you do is shit talk people. I never called a vote on you because it'd be vote abuse if I did. That's why I used the client mute and told other players to do so. I will post all three chat logs in a minute.
 
 
First things first, Nano we can silence for antisemitism so don't go calling anyone a "jew loving scrub".

As for all his other votes its difficult to tell if its vote abuse or not. He (Crimson) does have a lot of votes in his chatlog but given the circumstances it looks like you're using a mic which makes it harder to gain context on the situation due to lack of chatlogs, and you admitted to calling him a "jew loving scrub", so I don't feel comfortable silencing him on the sole basis of calling a lot of votes because they could of been justified.

EDIT: I have confronted him about this and he said, "...I take responsibility for my actions. I know I have abused the votemute and I will accept my punishment for it, whether is being banned for a day, or.. permenately."
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If he actually did say this he needs to come here to this report and say it himself, I can't take your word alone that he said this.

the Renegade said:
Second, you tried to mute me and Crimson for the sole reason of "I don't like you"
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As for this I don't feel there's enough evidence at hand. You're all mic users and the only one with some of a chatlog to go off of is Nano, even with that there's nothing in it that I saw that proves it was vote abuse. Him calling a vote and then some time after saying "I still don't like you" is somewhat suspicious, but its not enough for me to call it vote abuse and issue a silence.

My suggestion is you guys record demos. You need to start recording when you're playing together. This way if someone actually does break the rules we can review the entire demo leading up to that event which will give us plenty of context to work with. If you're using a mic while recording, make sure to use the voice_loopback 1 command so we can hear what you say.

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Also, for the record Renegade didn't call a vote against you. I checked through his entire chat log and there's not a vote in there against your steam ID.
 
[Furry] Meowcenary said:
First things first, Nano we can silence for antisemitism so don't go calling anyone a "jew loving scrub".

As for all his other votes its difficult to tell if its vote abuse or not. He (Crimson) does have a lot of votes in his chatlog but given the circumstances it looks like you're using a mic which makes it harder to gain context on the situation due to lack of chatlogs, and you admitted to calling him a "jew loving scrub", so I don't feel comfortable silencing him on the sole basis of calling a lot of votes because they could of been justified.



If he actually did say this he needs to come here to this report and say it himself, I can't take your word alone that he said this.



As for this I don't feel there's enough evidence at hand. You're all mic users and the only one with some of a chatlog to go off of is Nano, even with that there's nothing in it that I saw that proves it was vote abuse. Him calling a vote and then some time after saying "I still don't like you" is somewhat suspicious, but its not enough for me to call it vote abuse and issue a silence.

My suggestion is you guys record demos. You need to start recording when you're playing together. This way if someone actually does break the rules we can review the entire demo leading up to that event which will give us plenty of context to work with. If you're using a mic while recording, make sure to use the voice_loopback 1 command so we can hear what you say.

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Thanks for the quick reply. I know the "jew loving scrub" was unnecessary, but would it be different if I called him a "christian loving scrub"? I know it was said with negative connotation, but is loving a group of people who are in a religion something wrong or more important, against the rules?

I don't mute because "I don't like you" because I personally don't give two shits about the man sitting on the other side of the game. I did it because he was purposely maliciously talking over me when I was advising the server to not trade with x.

I had a few recordings, maybe I can recover them from my HDD that is at the end of its life. (The last backup was a month ago ;_;)

EDIT: To the part where you said you need to have Crimson's word for credibility: Why? The only thing it is doing is helping him, it's not against him.
 
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Nano Shinonome said:
Thanks for the quick reply. I know the "jew loving scrub" was unnecessary, but would it be different if I called him a "christian loving scrub"? I know it was said with negative connotation, but is loving a group of people who are in a religion something wrong or more important, against the rules?
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Calling someone a 'jew loving scrub' is rather insulting and we can silence for antisemitism. Most admins would probably warn over something like that as would I but if someone wants to use the votemenu against you for it I wouldn't necessarily consider it vote abuse

Nano Shinonome said:
Sorry for the confusion. Check edit 2.
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To my knowledge I can only silence someone for report abuse if they actually abuse the report system. Saying and actually doing are two different things for cases like vote abuse, report abuse, etc.
 
Nano Shinonome said:
I don't mute because "I don't like you" because I personally don't give two shits about the man sitting on the other side of the game. I did it because he was purposely maliciously talking over me when I was advising the server to not trade with x.
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Trying to mute me because I have you client muted and I happen to talk over you is still vote abuse. You have the option to client mute if you don't like someone. That's what I did to you and some other players instead of trying to vote mute them.

Nano Shinonome said:
but is loving a group of people who are in a religion something wrong or more important, against the rules?
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I'm pretty sure insulting someone by calling them a "jew loving scrub" is an insult rather than loving a religion.
 
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the Renegade said:
Trying to mute me because I have you client muted and I happen to talk over you is still vote abuse. You have the option to client mute if you don't like someone. That's what I did to you and some other players instead of trying to vote mute them.



I'm pretty sure insulting someone by calling them a "jew loving scrub" is an insult rather than loving a religion.
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Exactly. Is insulting players violating the rules? No, it isn't, and therefore not votemutable.

[Furry] Meowcenary said:
Calling someone a 'jew loving scrub' is rather insulting and we can silence for antisemitism. Most admins would probably warn over something like that as would I but if someone wants to use the votemenu against you for it I wouldn't necessarily consider it vote abuse



To my knowledge I can only silence someone for report abuse if they actually abuse the report system. Saying and actually doing are two different things for cases like vote abuse, report abuse, etc.
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Yeah, there isn't a reason to punish the Renegade now, because he never actually filed a report.

At the time I wrote my report, I was under the assumption that the Renegade made/was making a report.
 
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