Approved Make another Gravelpit server after replacing it without warning

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Skial had the only 24/7 Gravelpit server that was active every single day in the US and yesterday replaced it without warning with a Doomsday server, a map that has several 24/7 servers in the US. This just seems silly to me if the Gravelpit server isn't being moved.

There was quite a community that had gathered on the server and regulars would get it active and keep it filled up every day of the week. The game would be very good quite often as lots of very good players would go there, if Skial doesn't intend to move the server after taking it away without warning this will alienate all these people.

If it was a purely business decision then that won't be looked at very well because you had the only active server in the country that played a map and changed it to a map where it's quite easy to find several servers in the US.

There are even groups which show the community that Gpit server had, I can't link them being a new user but there's a Skialpit Steam Group and now a RIP Skialpit Steam Group which was made the same day the server was changed.

It's pretty messed up to just throw away such a dedicated community that got a server going everyday for a map that had no other active 24/7 servers in the US to replace it with a map that has multiple.
 
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Yeah, it was kinda weird trying to get on gravelpit today and only seeing we only have a EU one now.
 
We were trying to check glitches between Drum's Gravelpit and official Gravelpits... And suddenly, Gravelpit US be down? ;-;
 
doomsday is one of the worst maps in the game why would you make a 24/7 of it
 
There was plenty of warning and if you were on the server every day you should've seen this coming.

It has practically become empty all day ever since summer ended. It only filled during the night for like 3-4 hours.

If we became the only 24/7 gravelpit host, isn't that telling you all you need to know?

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Also people in the group itself knows the server died before I changed it.

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/skialpittf2
 
So it makes sense to abandon having the only active Gravelpit server in the US after a couple weeks of low traffic when school just went back into session? It may not have been "full" for much of the day but it has been active even on weekdays for much more than just 3-4 hours. On weekends it would be active the entire day easily, people clearly wanted to play on the server and it had an amazing amount of very good regulars who made the game very fun. It seems like BS to replace it with a Doomsday server just because it gets more quickplay people from having its own gametype.

The community on the Gpit server was amazing and you had several regulars who would help the server become active. This is not a way to treat a community, suddenly removing what you know is the ONLY active server for a map in the entire US. You're letting us know that you don't care about what any of us want, it's all about the bottom line and that's garbage. There are how many 2fort servers? How many Dustbowl servers? How much did it really hurt to have one Gravelpit server, the only in the US, compared to the goodwill it earned you? It has just been proven that all that is apparently meaningless to Skial.

It has been at a higher rank than it was lately but it had the potential to go up again and should have been given a chance as the only active US gpit server. But all of this clearly means nothing when us Gpit players are only a fraction of all the Skial players and you can earn a marginal amount more with a SD server instead from quickplay people who don't actually try and support the servers.

You need to consider that it was the ONLY active 24/7 server in the US for the entire map, how can something this important be ignored? Only because your priorities clearly are not with the players.

And your post about the group doesn't make sense. All the posts saying RIP are from within the last 24 hours, all after it was changed.
 
Three weeks is more than enough time for Gravelpit fans such as yourself to realize that other people aren't going to seed the server for you. In some places school started even earlier than September.

Just because school is killing the server doesn't make it ok for us to keep it around when our other servers aren't doing so badly.

I have no doubt that you have been a good regular even though you can't even be bothered to get on the forums until now and not make a fake account. But the fact is that you and all the fans left failed to seed the server for 3 weeks. And despite how much you want it back or insult me it is not going to get popular again, even if you make your own server.

Maybe if I change it back you guys will try really hard to prove me wrong for a couple weeks, but then you will realize that I am right, and we are left paying for a dead server that people have already removed from their favorites list.

This has happened over and over again such as Badlands, Mountainlab, etc... People don't trust my judgement even after I've proved it countless times.
 
Your distinction on what makes a server "dead" is arbitrary. The game on the server certainly wasn't dead, it was active every day and was very fun. There were tons of regulars and good players who spent a lot of time there. During the summer and on weekends it would be active far more time than not. That's not a dead server. Obviously when school starts again there will be a dip in activity.

The fact is that the last active server for a map was killed because Doomsday, a map that's not very fun, has its own gametype and thus brings in more autoplay viewers keeping the number closer to 24 more often despite being active around the same amount of hours. This is purely about the bottom line and no consideration was given to keeping a map alive because a marginal amount more could be made by not. That tells me everything I needed to know about Skial.

If the server was not even active on some days or not able to provide a good game I would understand, but that's not the case. It had a tight nit community and provided lots of fun, I see countless servers stay alive that are far less active. I would think a community like that, a large amount of regulars, a very fun game, and being the last server keeping a map alive would matter more to keep than a 7th 2fort server or an 8th Dustbowl server in the US. But I was wrong that Skial would think that, when a Doomsday server needs to be made then Gpit is just trashed with no warning or chance for improvement.
 
Ok, since we all know that gpit and doomsday both won't be very populated, why not change it to any of the other thousand maps that have more support in the suggestions?
 
Void said:
Ok, since we all know that gpit and doomsday both won't be very populated, why not change it to any of the other thousand maps that have more support in the suggestions?
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or we could just give the gpit regs another chance to get the server to fill
 
Ruelel said:
or we could just give the gpit regs another chance to get the server to fill
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Bottiger said:
Maybe if I change it back you guys will try really hard to prove me wrong for a couple weeks, but then you will realize that I am right, and we are left paying for a dead server that people have already removed from their favorites list.
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This has happened over and over again. You don't remember the same outburst when Barnblitz, Badlands, and Mountainlab NY was removed? And when I put it back up, it filled for a week until the regulars realized I was right and gave up? Remember Bolt Action Rick? He left to join kill-streak gaming and they also failed to populate their mountain lab server miserably.

rip skialpit said:
Your distinction on what makes a server "dead" is arbitrary. The game on the server certainly wasn't dead, it was active every day and was very fun. There were tons of regulars and good players who spent a lot of time there. During the summer and on weekends it would be active far more time than not. That's not a dead server. Obviously when school starts again there will be a dip in activity.

But I was wrong that Skial would think that, when a Doomsday server needs to be made then Gpit is just trashed with no warning or chance for improvement.
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Three weeks where the server was practically dead except for 3 hours every week day is quite "dead". Just because you happened to be on the server during these three hours doesn't mean anything. Sure it was populated during the weekend, but the lack of new players during the weekday would eventually creep towards the weekend. I have been hosting TF2 servers for 3 years and I know when a server is going to end up dead before it happens.

We don't pay Valve to host unpopular servers for the sake of variety. If you want to do that then pay for your own servers. Maps die out in popularity and if we don't adapt, we die with them. Maybe you don't care if Skial dies if your favorite server dies, but I am sure many people here care.
 
I say replace doomsday with 24/7 tc_hydro since there are absolutely no hydro servers and its one of the best maps.
 
Bottiger said:
You don't have a very good concept of which maps are popular. Doomsday today filled several hours earlier than Gravelpit this whole month.
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Dear lord Bott. This is the most I've ever seen you post.

I would personally like Gravelpit more than Doomsday but I say it's worth another go to see if we could get regs to support it. If it doesn't work out it can be replaced by another suggested map or rotation. Just my 2 cents.
 
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