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PsychoRealm said:
I want a big permanent safety not some temporary middle measure.
Nice quote though. Arguable, but nice. What's the use of liberty if you have no safety? Your life ain't worth a dime if it's not safe which makes liberty just a nice word.

However, just as I expected, this quote is being used wildly in "safety vs liberty" discussions; and, as I expected, people read it in different ways sometimes not even understanding a context.
http://tinyurl.com/kqocror
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The key is though, you have to define what is a major liberty. In effect, the 4th amendment is continually getting whittled down, which is becoming more and more worrisome. Now, obviously I can only speak for 'murica, but unreasonable search and seizure is being redefined constantly and it's always going in favor of the eye in the sky under the guise of "national security." To say that the government needs to monitor every citizen ever is ludicrous and if you think that kind of thing keeps you safe, well, you need to think again.
 
hXcjedders said:
The key is though, you have to define what is a major liberty. In effect, the 4th amendment is continually getting whittled down, which is becoming more and more worrisome. Now, obviously I can only speak for 'murica, but unreasonable search and seizure is being redefined constantly and it's always going in favor of the eye in the sky under the guise of "national security." To say that the government needs to monitor every citizen ever is ludicrous and if you think that kind of thing keeps you safe, well, you need to think again.
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I don't have to define major liberty. You see, I vote for safe society where my kids and my family would feel safe and not threatened. I don't care that much for illusory liberty. What do you define as liberty? An ability to go out and start killing people with no repercussions? An ability to be able to go wherever you want and whenever you want? An ability to express your opinion freely? An ability to insult/bully/offend people freely?

I agree that unreasonable search and seizure should be dealt with and is not acceptable in democratic society. In country like the US which is a melting pot of the nations it will be almost impossible to keep an order without strong enforcement of the law. Sometimes this enforcement can interfere with the liberty though as unfortunate as it sounds. I personally don't like it, but again, it depends on situation. If, for instance, the police has at least small doubt about my neighbor to be a sexual offender, I'd vote for letting them search my neighbor's house for evidence. I'd rather overreact than see people I know raped by him later.

It's pretty slimy debate and it has no definitive answers or solutions. I think reasonable balance should be established between liberty and safety.
 
Tomatketchup said:
Psycho needs to take his medicine against his paranoia and stop believing a six-figure salary is somehow middle class salary.
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Six figure salary could be 500k and could be 100k which is quite a difference.
"In the United States the term middle class and its subdivisions are an extremely vague concept as neither economists nor sociologists have precisely defined the term. There are several perceptions of the upper middle class and what the term means. In academic models the term applies to highly educated salaried professionals whose work is largely self-directed. Many have graduate degrees with educational attainment serving as the main distinguishing feature of this class. Household incomes commonly may exceed $100,000, with some smaller one-income earners earning incomes in the high 5-figure range. Typical professions for this class include lawyers, physicians, dentists, engineers, professors, architects, pharmacists, school principals, civil service executives and civilian contractors."
You might wanna start taking again your brain-activity stimulators.
 
PsychoRealm said:
Six figure salary could be 500k and could be 100k which is quite a difference.
"In the United States the term middle class and its subdivisions are an extremely vague concept as neither economists nor sociologists have precisely defined the term. There are several perceptions of the upper middle class and what the term means. In academic models the term applies to highly educated salaried professionals whose work is largely self-directed. Many have graduate degrees with educational attainment serving as the main distinguishing feature of this class. Household incomes commonly may exceed $100,000, with some smaller one-income earners earning incomes in the high 5-figure range. Typical professions for this class include lawyers, physicians, dentists, engineers, professors, architects, pharmacists, school principals, civil service executives and civilian contractors."
You might wanna start taking again your brain-activity stimulators.
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Lawl. Next time I hear a 6 figure salaried person complaining about the plight of the middle class worker I'll make sure to look up that definition to remember that they're "one of us."
 
PsychoRealm said:
Six figure salary could be 500k and could be 100k which is quite a difference.
"In the United States the term middle class and its subdivisions are an extremely vague concept as neither economists nor sociologists have precisely defined the term. There are several perceptions of the upper middle class and what the term means. In academic models the term applies to highly educated salaried professionals whose work is largely self-directed. Many have graduate degrees with educational attainment serving as the main distinguishing feature of this class. Household incomes commonly may exceed $100,000, with some smaller one-income earners earning incomes in the high 5-figure range. Typical professions for this class include lawyers, physicians, dentists, engineers, professors, architects, pharmacists, school principals, civil service executives and civilian contractors."
You might wanna start taking again your brain-activity stimulators.
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If 100k> is your average middle class income in the US then everyone in Norway would be driving in limosuines...
 
While inflation-adjusted ("real") household income had been increasing almost every year from 1945 to 1999, it has since been flat and even decreased recently.[2] U.S. median household income fell from $51,144 in 2010 to $50,502 in 2011.[3] Extreme poverty in the United States, meaning households living on less than $2 per day before government benefits, doubled from 1996 to 1.5 million households in 2011, including 2.8 million children.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

inb4 WIKIPEDIA ISNT CREDIBLE HURR DURR
 
hXcjedders said:
U.S. median household income fell from $51,144 in 2010 to $50,502 in 2011
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Median household is not something that explicitly defines middle class.

"In the past few years, the "middle class" income range has been described as between $32,900 and $64,000 a year (a Pew Charitable Trusts study), between $50,800 and $122,000 (a U.S. Department of Commerce study), and between $20,600 and $102,000 (the U.S. Census Bureau's middle 60% of incomes)."
 
You arent getting the point. Middle class and upper middle clsss are two totally different sets. Upper middle class isnt rich enough to be rich, but well off enough that they should have no real monetary worries, barring tragedy.
 
hXcjedders said:
You arent getting the point. Middle class and upper middle clsss are two totally different sets. Upper middle class isnt rich enough to be rich, but well off enough that they should have no real monetary worries, barring tragedy.
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Can't disagree with that.
 
Class in the UK also has a grounding in breeding, land ownership, and what circles you move in. I would never be accepted into an upper middle class status, even if I earned £10m a year. purely because I come from working class lineage. After a few generations, my descendants would be integrated, but I would be held with contempt.
Because America is young in relation to the UK, this is not so pronounced there, and the emphasis seems to be based more on income than social status.
 
Lol did they just throw the throttle on the train up and jump off?

"Itll get there i mean its not like it can get lost"
 
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